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Domestic Animals - Part of the Family!
I agree that goats and other animals which have been introduced to Australia can cause an environmental problem, but as a pet owner, I also admit to a long addiction to having pets. I have welcomed pet mice, horses, rabbits, a ferret, a lizard, goats, dogs, cats, birds, roughly 100 introduced tropical fish and one rather goofy pig into my life over my lifetime. And it's true. I got attached to each and every one of them.
I also understood the responsibility that went with having a pet in my life. You don't let cats run around killing birds. You don't let tropical fish out in the bay. And you don't let dogs roam the streets. You abide by the laws and seek to ensure that they don't play loud music or throw wild parties (or is that children?). You take care of your pets and they take care of you, and you respect your own environment as well as theirs. Provided this is the case, and there is no cruelty or neglect, there is really no comprehensible reason why someone should be forced to give up a pet.
For those of us who understand that animals are more than just livestock running around, waiting to be eaten, it’s bewildering how anyone could support the removal of a clearly beloved domestic pet from the back yard of a private citizen.
Increasingly pet owners are being forced to discount the importance of having pets as part of their family by laws similar to this and other market restrictions which are put on rental market places which more and more often say “No Pets”.
We are becoming a society which discounts the importance of having the experience of a loyal and adoring pet, and who almost sees a pet as a disposable “optional extra” regardless of the relationship it has with its family.
What possible reason could there be to class this animal as “livestock” a term which inherently suggests it has no personality, no rights and no value beyond it’s consumer worth.
I am lucky to have grown up in country and rural areas where there were no such restrictions on our animals. But even if we are to introduce new laws relating to the custody of pets, shouldn't there be an amnesty for those who were obtained legally prior to the changes?
(excerpts from this are at freevictor.com)
Limiting demand?
Time to squat?
Housing less affordable in Australia than in US
Getting on council's goat
The goodness of goats
CBC will often tell what's happening
Peter Salonius posted this to the Sinking Lifeboat mailing list in reponse to Tim's article.
The CBC will often tell what is happening ―however you must use your own judgement about why it is happening, as opposed to paying much attention to the CBC's explanations.
Scrap the CBC and you are left with local growthist boosterism, police action and ambulance chasing that is the fodder that more local media outlets feed on.
"Re-runs of the Howdy Doody Show" will not give you a 'ringside seat' to observe the approaching apocalypse
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Peter Salonius
Poker Machines - a Carr legacy
Pauline Hanson enigmatic
The issue of Pauline Hanson is problematic for me in a number of ways. For years she was considered by many to be the embodiment of evil in this country. Being a leftist myself, I felt obligated to accept the view that the One Nation Party was the genesis of a fascist movement like the German Nazi Party, the Italian Fascists (or in this country, the New Guard or Old Guard of the 1930's). On one or two occasions, I could almost have attended the rowdy demonstrations against the One Nation Party, but, thankfully, did not.
I can now see the issue as more complex. Moreover, despite its flaws and the socially conservative views of many of its members, I see the One Nation Party as largely a necessary and positive response to the neo-liberal counter-revolution of the time. It was the only large organisation that was prepared to confront the paramount political issue of our time, that is, immigration.
I was a member of the organisation that now sells Green Left in the late 1970's and 1980's. It was then called the Socialist Workers' Party (SWP) and it is now called the Democratic Socialist Party (DSP). I have recently learned that the people who controlled it back then have become a minority and have been expelled (see Australian DSP divides, Disrepute and democratic centralism according to the DSP and The politics of the DSP purge all to be found on the web site ozleft.wordpress.com.) I very much doubt if I would have much sympathy for either of the two warring parties in this dispute, although I still believe that socialist thought, if strongly tempered with the Malthusian understanding of the world that Marx and most of his successors stupidly tried to deny, still has a lot to offer. A good article to read is socialist environmentalist Sandy Irvine's Trotsky's Biggest Blindspot
Dave wrote: “It will be interesting to see how the left websites and papers deal with Cameron, …“"
In fact, Green Left, whilst the core of the Socialist Alliance, members of which have actively harassed immigration reduction activists for years, has been curiously silent on this issue lately. It does promote refugee rights, which, as we have all seen, have been used as an effective smokescreen behind which immigration numbers have been ramped up in recent years, but it is extremely difficult to find any article specifically about immigration lately. The following are the first twelve links I obtained when I used the term 'migration' on Green Left's web site:
- CUBA: US employs weapons of mass migration, 14 May 03
- Editorial: Migration bill splits the Coalition, 17 Nov 93
- Migration, racism and environment,16 Mar 94
- Washington announces arrangements on migration of Cubans of 26 Oct 94
- Ruddock's refugee tribunal biased of 28 Aug 02
- Marx vs Keynes on immigration of 13 Aug 97
- Issues: Migrant women: tired of being invisible of 26 Feb 92
- Howard ducks for cover on 457 visa rorts of 14 Jul 07
- West Papuan asylum seekers need our support of 17 Nov 93
- TPVs finally shelved, deportations continuing of 17 May 08
- Environment: Why cutting immigration won't help of 27 Nov 96
- Labor changes its refugee policy, slightly of 4 May 07
- …
The above results are similar to those I have obtained on a number of previous occasions. The only article above which actually addresses immigration in any sensible way is Howard ducks for cover on 457 visa rorts, but it doesn't actually take a stance on immigration itself and avoids reflecting upon the DSP's past more strident promotion of high immigration.
A problem with Green Left's search facility is that it does not seem to give any weight to chronology in its ordering of its search results, so it is difficult to know for sure how much or how little current coverage is being given to this critical issue. Still, on the basis of the above, it would appear very little. So, it seems to me that the DSP is being dishonest and evasive. Whether they currently support or oppose high immigration, they should have the courage of their convictions to say so openly and explain why.
Dave, if you have Doug Cameron's email address, please let me know.
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Iceland's immigration policy
The following was posted to the mailing list Optimum Population (optimumpopulation AT yahoogroups.com). The web-site of the UK group Optimum Population Trust is www.optimumpopulation.org.
Re Tim Murray's outline of Icelandic culture it seems that they don't wish to have their culture diluted but don't mind the dilution of their recently very pure blood and genectic line by the immigration of, as I have heard, a large contingent of Pakistani men in the past so many years as long as they change their name, speak Norse, presumably not open kebab/tandoori food establishments etc. and everything stays the same except the look of the immigrants and their offspring.
This is a very enlightened, accepting attitude the Icelanders are taking which shows immigrants are welcome as long as they are really integrated. It would be interesting to know how the Muslim immigrants have handled the strong women, promiscuous sex and the high consumption of alcohol all around them.
The Icelanders must be hard working as, at least until recently (their currency was devalued) they had a higher per capita income than those in the UK with a population of 1/25th of the population of London with no exportable natural resources except fish, which they sensibly had a war with us to protect. They must be living from the rest of the world's population by clever investments and expertise. An interesting place.
The new pariah
What evidence does the Australian have against Cameron?
What evidence did the Australian give for this statement which seems horribly defamatory against Doug Cameron? Are they trying to incite hatred against him?
" … the immigration debate has already pricked the raw nerves of xenophobia and self interest that lie just below the surface of many within the labour movement. …
"It is a rerun of the views that underpinned the ALP's support for the discredited White Australia policy, which grew out of a deal between labour and capital to protect Australian jobs from Chinese immigration."
Personally I would ten times rather be associated with Cameron than with the people who actually benefit from high immigration - the bankers, the property developers, the big mining companies and those who destroy forests everywhere. It certainly seems like the moral universe of the Murdoch Press is very murky and strange.
It is terrible to see Cameron treated this way. I would say that the worse he is treated by the Australian, the better a man he must be.
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Aggressive war the obverse side of the coin to high immigration
This was also posted to abandonskip.blogspot.com
Hi Skip,
Good that someone else is raising his voice against high immigration.
In regards to Tim's article, "Iceland, the most peaceful country on earth", please feel encouraged to reproduce it as long as you acknowledge the original source, preferably with a link back to the article.
For the record, I take issue with some of the content of the sites linked to from there, for example fortressaustralia.blogspot.com which, in turn, links to sites which apparently support aggressive US wars against other countries, for example MilBlogs.
I support the defence of the Australian continent against overt military attacks and terrorist attacks and I oppose high immigration into this continent as trampling on the rights of the current residents of this continent.
However, this should not imply support for this country or its allies violating the rights of other countries such as Iraq. I strongly recommend that you read Naomi Klein's "The Shock Doctrine". I have quoted from in on Online Opinion Discussion.
I think you should ponder why US citizen Rupert Murdoch through mouthpieces such as The Australian both supports the invasion of Iraq and, as you have noted, high immigration into Australia. I think they are two sides of the same coin.
I also recommend you read Tim Murray's Article "Closing our borders can't mean turning our backs". Whilst Tim resolutely opposes high immigration into the US and Canada, he points out that it would not be nearly as much a problem if neo-liberal globalism had not previously destroyed the self-sufficient agricultural economies that had previously existed in the countries from which prospective immigrants want to come.
We aren't going to solve our problems by perpetually waging war on everyone else on earth as the bloggers at MilBlogs seem to think. By all means we must act prudently against military threats, but we are only going to fix the mess for good if we deal with the cause instead of just the symptom of immigration.
Can I quote this article?
Mainstream media propaganda machine in Oz
Corporate spin and the media
Shared room accomodation becoming widespread in Sydney
I meant to write about this in the article. I read, possibly within the last four months, that in Sydney shared room accommodation is becoming more commonplace, so high have rental costs become. If anyone can provide more information on this it would be greatly appreciated.
Send messages automatically to parliamentarians on issues
If you go to the Amalgamated Manufacturing Workers' Union's (AMWU) site (see also above) and click on campaigns, you can send messages to parliamentarians on a number of issues, notably (as well as 457 visas) to Iemma on the privatisation of electricity.
It's a good site.
Thanks Dave,
Sheila Newman, population sociologist
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Rough EROEI of Nuclear on Candobetter leads to chapter in book
Hats off to the Bolivians!
Will low-paid engineers make QANTAS unsafe?
More on Qantas..
Qantas to use strike breakers recruited from Asia Pacific
REI prepared to sacrifice the truth
How big should Canberra be?
Further to my earlier post, I've tracked down the survey mentioned in Evan Jones' blog, about residents attitudes to Canberra's growth. It's in "How Big Should Canberra Be?" an Australia Institute Webpaper by Clive Hamilton and Claire Barbato published in May 2005 downloadable as a 61K pdf file.
It makes interesting reading, as all the issues are the same today. This notwithstanding, we still have the local Real Estate Institute coming out with press releases saying that Canberra has 'stalled' because of 'sluggish population growth'.
Mind you, according to the ABC news report "Canberra's population reaches 340,000" of 19 Mar 08, Canberra's population growth over the year to March '08 was right on the national average.
Obviously still too slow for the REI.
Top author, Sharon Beder, writes on Privatisation
Reasons against Power Privatisation
'Pro-democracy' a better label than 'left wing' for Morales
The Deification of the Market
Privatisation ideology is a con-man's patter
How to confront the decline in material wealth?
Thanks for this! And to
Carr and Keating have direct financial stakes in privatisation
In fact, Keating has a direct financial stake in the privatisation of NSW's electicity assets proceeding. As reported on the ABC news of 6 May:
Mr Keating has also declared he is a consultant to a private financial company advising the NSW Government on its privatisation proposals.
Curiously, this information was not revealed when the Sydney Morning Herald published Keating's opinion piece Iemma deserved better than naked obstructionism on 6 May
And after Carr resigned as NSW premier he infamously began working as a consultant for Macquarie Bank,one of those companies aiming to buy NSW's electricity assets, for AU$500,000 per year.
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Response to support question
Ex-pollies (& Current ones) support question
Australia does have a population policy
privatisation ideology does not fit the 21st century
Hi Mike, I totally agree

Powering down
Population and our bush capital
Powering down
Accreditation requirements a barrier to employment
As it happens, a lot of discussion Online Opinion concerns the so-called skill shortage and migration. I will include a few posts from a discussion forum in response to Labor Senator Kim Carr's article Securing the future of Australian manufacturing of 10 April 2008
Is skills shortage largely the result of needless certification barriers?
I question whether we really do have a skilled labour shortage or an excess of hyperbole.
We are so demanding of certificates for hands on work we are struggle to find skilled tradesmen. for example.
Commonwealth Games Melbourne. lack of security personnel. In Victoria a security person must study at TAFE for 6 months and sit through classes given by serving policemen. The appropriately accredited bouncers were not going to drop their permanent night club job to do security for the Commonwealth Games for 4 to 6 weeks max. Consequently Indian students were hired. Now skippys had to be qualified by the Indians didn't know how to search bags, persons, were easily bribed with food and quite frankly some Indian security guards were too small to be any deterent to a 50 year old aussie.
Railway linesmen and bush fire brigade members now have to attend TAFE to learn how to use a chainsaw. Can't see how practical experience isn't more beneficial.
Why do registered teachers have to pay an additional $2000 to get a Certificate IV of workplace training?
I am sure there are further examples of demands for certification that are used to create unnecessary barriers to entry.
Wednesday, 30 April 2008 9:36:47 PM
Attainment of unnecessary accreditation costly for jobseekers
Billie has drawn attention to a serious obstacle to employment and promotion; the obsession with academic control over non-apprenticed manual skill employment.
Courses are expensive and out of reach for those unemployed, and at the rate in which TAFEs are being closed down, many students are forced to travel up to two hours each way to their nearest facility (ie as in the closure of Seaforth).
Even such simple jobs as building wooden fences, require a labourer to have several thousand dollars on hand; and (in Qld) be certified by a Building Services Authority that clearly exists to favour the big end of town. It is an indication of how extraneous this qualification demand is, that I learned this skill in a few hours at the age of sixteen.
Politicians insist these requirements were introduced to protect consumers yet, continuing with the example of fencing, construction standards have plummeted quite dramatically.
Of course, government then claims positions cannot be filled and these figures are deducted from unemployed statistics. Thus real unemployment is actually enforced, while simultaneously hiding the numbers.
I look forward to the day when the politicians and bureaucrats responsible stand trial for these crimes against the Australian people.
Wednesday, 30 April 2008 11:07:02 PM
Requirement for Four Wheel Drive Certification
Billie, I think you will find that a lot of that accreditation stuff is tied up with Worksafe, a so called duty of care and some litigation that has gone on. One property owner in NSW I was told, was fined something like $200,000, after a couple of his staff rolled the 4WD whilst checking cattle. It seems he did not fulfil his duty of care, by sending them to an accredited 4WD course.
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1 May 2008 10:02:20 AMWednesday, 30 April 2008 11:07:02 PM
Two thirds of 'skilled' migrants not working in vocation
I refer to posts by Billie and Tony Ryan about Australia's skills 'crisis'.
Regardless of the causes of this phenomenon, the prefered solution to date - increasing skilled immigration - seems to have failed.
See Sydney Morning Herald story Migrants add to skills crisis: study of 29 April 2008.
Government by Minority Lobby, not democracy
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Personally, I would like to see an end to all immigration and refugee programmes; and I suspect the majority of Aussies think similarly. I would go further; those who plainly do not respect Australian culture should be returned. But that's our problem. Decisions are made on the basis of what 15% of the population want. This is Government by Minority Lobby, not democracy.
According to my surveys, and depending upon specific issue, between 65% and 94% of Australians do not agree with government policy. I think that that just about sums up all of Australia's problems.
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Powering down
Re: Powering down
Pourquoi les Australiens tolerent-ils Iemma?
What is Mr Lenders trying to say here?
Much better ways to make friends
A great day for Oz when Property Council goes out of business
ACF slow to help, quick to take credit
Why can't our governments decide how big our cities will be?
Thanks for drawing this story to our attention, Ilan. In a way, it's good that John Lenders has raised this issue in this way instead of just relentlessly shouting that massive population growth is inherently a good thing as the rest of the members of the Victorian Government seem to. Nevertheless, his comments still appear to accept some premises which are in conflict with democratic principles as Ilan has noted. For example, why shouldn't a democratically elected Government which is supposedly acting in the best interest of the public it is purportedly serving determine how big it can grow?
Every day of the week we find stories in the media where what should be regarded as a choice to be decided one way or the other through democratic processes is, instead, presented to us as a foregone conclusion over which none of us, from the highest levels of government and business decision makers right down to the communities and individuals within them can have any control. In fact, as I have noted in my article The Australian laments outcome of Queensland local government elections of 29 March:
... the choice is being made, but instead of it being made by the affected communities, it is being made by politicians, like Queensland Premier Anna Bligh, who serve the same vested interests as does the Murdoch media. They include principally the aforementioned Property Council of Australia, whose members gain from population growth, through land speculation and property development, at the expense of the rest of the community, the environment and future generations.
Is the Victorian Treasurer a man, a mouse, or something else?
How did free-trade globalisers get away with it?
- The strident absolutely self-assured way in which their propaganda was relentlessly pushed by the newsmedia;
- Opponents views were dismissed as quaint and old fashioned and they were given little voice;
- As may workers lost their livelihoods, others, not so exposed to competition from slave wages, gained from cheaper imports;
- That much of the left opposed, rather than supported, tariffs. Part of their rationale was that tariffs were somehow reactionary and served to divide, rather than unite workers across national boundaries and accordingly would lead to trade wars and ultimately more inter-imperialist wars such as the First and Second World Wars
A better form of protection?
Age article by Kenneth Davidson
Economic scenarios might involve revisiting the protection debate. There are meagre returns from further reductions in protection for manufacturing industry but the finance industry gets fabulous assistance. When push comes to shove, the central banks exist to prop up the financial system when the banks lend to the point of self-destruction in a deregulated financial market. It is happening now. Should the banks be re-regulated? What quid pro quo should the community demand for its largesse? Are financial markets sacred?
Protectionism & tariffs
Restoration of tariffs an excellent idea
A few good... economists
Demography and growth economics in a dry desert-land
Hi Dave,
Please write us an article if you feel up to it.
See end this response for an event where Assoc Prof Katharine Betts will be speaking.
Really appreciated your comment. The truth is that I nearly added that not all demographers and economists are useless -gosh, Malthus was the first economist - (not that he got everything right) but I kind of hoped to inflame some information rich response - and did. Of course they are not ALL useless - just the ones that bad business uses to ram home its destructive agenda. I didn't know about Ted Wheelright and will look up some of his work. With regards to demographers, Cristabel Young, Graham Hugo, Terrance Hull (who is also an anthropologist I think) spring to mind as good guys. Please do write a paene to any others and post it here.
The big problem (as you probably realise) is that having a maths degree, without broader scientific method and sociological or biological background, doesn't equip you to draw any political conclusions based on a series of numbers of people. What it does permit is crafting a recipe for cashing in on trends, and it leads to people trying to organise those trends to keep on happening when they would probably ordinarily come to an end or evolve into something different. The broader public need to be educated to distrust academics who spruik for business.
It is really poor that entire state planning departments abuse past demographic trends by presenting them to the public time and again as if they were cast-iron predictions. The politicians jump on these trend-vehicles like trained dogs and tell us all to get on board and the media market them to death. I have complained in the past to the ABC that they have reported APop pronouncements as if they were equivalent to ABS pronouncements. Once upon a time - I think - the ABC didn't make those kinds of mistakes.
Mind you, quite a few sociologists have been funded by business lobbies to write ideological population-boosting books which are no better. And few sociologists have a clue about ecology or fuels, which makes them incapable of assessing the impact people and society have.
It does help to have a conscience as well and maybe some control over status hunger. Perhaps I should be more understanding; so many people are trying just to make a living, but personally I draw the line at selling my country down the [dry] river.
Katharine Betts is not a demographer She is a sociologist, as is Bob Birrell (albeit Bob has an economics degree as well, I think). Betts and Birrell draw their sociological conclusions carefully, based on research and theory.
What I object to is economists and demographers who feel okay about cobbling together a coincidence and peddling it for hire, when the consequences are so serious, such as spooking the public with mad ideologies like demographic implosion (in a world of 6.5 billion!), or implying that Australia's population is falling when it isn't etc. in the service of economic growthist ideology. And the coarse and fascist remedies they propose for their imaginary problems. The horrible thing is that business has used these people plus money like weapons against democracy, and the politicians have been sucked in or induced to foist this kind of really muddy thinking on the public. So now we are in danger of having some official policy of growing our population to two or three times its size, against a background of oil depletion and atmospheric pollution, soil impoverishment and water overshoot, intensification of intensive feedlot farming, and gross fracturing of the population structures and social organisation of much of our wildlife. We are becoming such a depraved society.
By the way, Katharine Betts will be giving a lecture and discussion session at the North Melbourne Town Hall Library on 10 May at 3-4pm.
Are we going too big?
How fast is Australia’s population really growing?
How much of this growth is due to immigration?
Have trends really changed dramatically?
Did we need a baby bonus?
Do government and the media give the true picture in a state where the impacts of growth are becoming overwhelming— traffic-choked roads, water restrictions, anxiety about future water supply, pressure on land for housing, unaffordability, constant massive infrastructure projects and increasing need to protect wildlife from rapid growth and development....... ?
SPEAKER: 3PM – 4PM, SAT 10 MAY, MELBOURNE:
DR KATHARINE BETTS, Australian Population Sociologist, Associate Professor in Sociology at Swinburne University, Editor of Monash University demographic quarterly, People and Place, and Author of Immigration Ideology and The Great Divide.
This session will look at Statistics and Politics:
Statistics: Changes in collection and definition of Australian immigration statistics over the past 10 years.
Reliable estimates of the numbers from 1998-2008 (Migration and total population change)
Politics: Interpreting recent trends in Australian Political population policy and how policy intersects with real immigration numbers.
Dr Katharine Betts is Australia’s leading expert in different ways of measuring and presenting immigration statistics. An experienced teacher, she will explain Australian population statistics and show trends over the long and short term.
DISCUSSION: 4PM – 5PM
VENUE AND DATE:
(After the SPA VIC AGM at 2PM)
Saturday 10TH May
North Melbourne Library (upstairs)
66 Errol St. North Melbourne (Melway ref.2A J 10)
Sheila Newman, population sociologist
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Verdant vegetation and the beauty of the desert
I also heard the same b.s.
Captain Rudd and Titanic Australis, management of collision

The "moonscaped" block is an all-too-common sight
Please keep those comments on Victoria's developer putsch coming

I made a submission through the online form
I made a submission through the online form, though I could not answer most of the questions (see my previous comment)! I ended with a rather lame comment:
"The new zones give too much power to developers to do whatever they like; even the current zones are preferable to these proposed ones. The residents who are affected by a development should have the right to object to it. Melbourne's liveability - its open spaces and low residential density - is being eroded by overdevelopment. The Government should try to restrict population growth rather than try to cram more and more people into the same area."
Racism, immigration, and democracy
Population stability and race
Whoops! Don't know how I got the date so wrong
Superb post
Difficult questions and marketing undemocratic engineered growth
Like Saul on the road to Damascus..
Is race not an issue in regards to immigration into Tibet, etc?

Is opposition to high immigration 'racist'?

'Public consultation' questions difficult to answer
For Reference: Senate Select Committee on Housing Affordability
Article from The Australian
also from The Age
Also Reported at the ABC's Web Site
This is a GREAT ARTICLE.
Oh, please! Rupert
Averages, medians, standard deviations, decile ranges, etc
The Following comments were received from demographer Katharine Betts of the Swinburne University.
Skilled professionals on 457 visas
I think the answer is that many people coming in on the temporary 457 visas are quite highly paid. It's a hassle for employers to bring them in (not a huge hassle, but a hassle nonetheless) and so they tend to do it more for professionals and skilled people whom they really want. Consequently it's logical that many of these people will be well paid.
However the average wages can hide big variations and it can still be the case that some people on 457 visas are exploited and underpaid.
Averages, medians, standard deviations and decile ranges
With averages (ie the arithmetic mean) a few big numbers can really skew the results. So if you get a small number of managers being brought in on big salaries this could obscure the fact that many people at the lower end were being paid low salaries.
I presume you are referring to Paul Maley's piece on page 1 of the Australian March 18? (James: Yes)
He just talks about "averages". It's not clear whether he's referring to a mean salary or a median salary. A median is a much more valid measure of central tendency where the data are skewed as it's not biased by extreme values.
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He's using ABS data and I'd expect them to use median salaries but he doesn't say that that is what he's got. Maybe he thinks the general reader will understand the word "average" and not want to be bothered by fine distinctions? But it does matter.
In any event neither measure tells us about the distribution of all the salaries. If the average used is a mean we'd need the standard deviation. If it's a median we'd want something like a decile range.
Local governmet candidates in Basalt, Colorado opposed to growth
I stumbled across a most interestin artile about how none of the candidates in local government elections in a small town of Basalt in Colorado in the US were strongly in favour of growth. This is in contrast to the recent Brisbane elections. The article is Candidates talk growth in Basalt.
BASALT — Basalt residents can rest assured that none of the candidates for three open Town Council seats are lobbying for rampant, unfettered growth. That was apparent from a forum sponsored by the Chamber of Commerce on
Wednesday.The five council candidates in attendance — plus incumbent Mayor Leroy Duroux, who is running unopposed — all laid out convincing cases about their concerns and hopes for the community. They all essentially said they want Basalt to
remain a cool small town where you don’t have to be a millionaire to afford a place to live.
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Democracy, Development, and the Australian Press
Population & Economic Growth as Anglo-State Religions
New Zealand and Missouri Green Population Positions
Most Idiotic Green Parties Pt 2
The Most Idiotic Green Party
Alleged sins of European Canadians
Sins of white ancestors were real, but point still valid
Tim, I think the argument you make is sound, however, I do take some exception to the way you refer to the sins of many of your white forefathers in Canada as 'alleged'. They were very real (or at least in the US with it's Massacre at Wounded Knee as but one of many examples) and in Australia.
However past ill-treatment of aboriginal societies is no justification for the current inhabitants of our societies being treated largely in the same way as those societies were back then. It does nothing to redress past injustices and only serves to destroy our social cohesion, our environment, and our children's future
Attitudes which effectively amount to racism against people of Anglo-Celtic descent from even amongst amongst left-liberal members of that community are quite common here in Australia, also. See, for example the following comment on a forum on Online Opinion in response to the article "Privileged 'whites'" of 8 Oct 2007:
There are already sufficient numbers of Australians of non-Western heritage to ensure that time and demographics will further consign “White Australia” to a slightly embarrassing historical memory.
disregard
Redland Residents should attend Council meeting 22 Jan(tomorrow)
Housing affordability
Population, racism and bumper stickers.
I think that in the public mind, the issues of population, race and of multiculturalism have become confused to the point where they're inseparable.
Try this simple exercise at home. There's a striking but crude bumper sticker going 'round that consists of an outline of Australia with the words "F*ck off - We're full". No question, it's an offensive sort of thing. Its emphatic use of the F word guarantees this (as well as it's popularity in some circles, no doubt).
It's existence has excited much commentary on blogs around the web. Google these and what you find is that there's precious little discussion of whether Australia's actually 'full' or not. The overwhelming reaction - delivered in smug tones of moral superiority - is that the sticker is an example of redneck racism and that it's to be deplored. Not just because it's crude or offensive, mind you, but because it's fundamentally wrong. Most writers feel that its wrongness is evident simply because of the socio-economic status of those sporting it on their vehicles. Or from the class of vehicle on which the sticker appears. One blogger, having ripped into the bogans across the road for decorating their Falcon with the offending sticker, goes on to cite population/land area statistics to 'prove' how underpopulated Australia is compared to China and India (those paragons of sustainability). A sympathetic reader, gushing over this vapid analysis, says;
"I especially like how you backed up your argument with real evidence- like, if you got into a verbal spat with the neighbour you could actually quote statistics and make him/her feel even more ignorant." ( cotardssyndrome.blogspot.com/2006_03_01_archive.html)
Deary me. One wonders what a similar analysis of Antarctica's population to land area would reveal. To be fair, later commentators question the relevance of the simple land area/population analysis and of course the blogger provides no response.
Aside from being just plain wrong, the blogosphere is unanimous in its view that the sticker is racist. How so? My own analysis of its limited content is that all comers are being asked to F*ck off, not just those of a particular ethnic origin. But as Sheila's article implies, the 'racist' brush has been used to tar so many for such a diversity of reasons that it no longer matters. If you oppose mass immigration - you're racist.
Crude stickers are probably no help in getting the message about population sustainablity more widely accepted. But the common notion that opposition to mass immigration = racism is a bigger challenge. And with vested interests benefiting from this misconception, changing it will be hard.
Eco-friendly goats vote to phase out humans