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Population & Pollution Crisis: one & the same thing, really...
Other truthful web-sites
Other web-sites which tell the truth about threatened wars against Libya and Syria include Alex Jones' Infowars.com and Prisonplanet.com (although Jones, unfortunately dismisses fears of global warming as alarmist). Another is endthelie.com of Madison Ruppert, whose article Syria: Lybia 2.0? It looks more likely by the day of 8 Jul 11, was published on Infowars.com .
NT pastoral industry not sustainable - link fixed.
MP Danny Danon wants Israel to send Muslim illegals to Australia
""Danny Danon: Send African migrants to Australia By LAHAV HARKOV 06/30/2011 16:35 http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=227332 Likud MK and Australian MP discuss "humane solution" for thousands of 'Muslim infiltrators' in Israel: Send them to live down under. MK Danny Danon (Likud) asked Australian MP Michael Danby on Wednesday to propose, in parliament in Canberra, sending African migrants from Israel to Australia. Danon and Danby discussed the issue during the Australian politician’s visit to Israel for the World Jewish Congress’s International Conference of Jewish Parliamentarians. [RELATED: African migrants, activists hold World Refugee Day rally Gov’t: Number of African migrants reaches high for 2011] “The arrival of thousands of Muslim infiltrators to Israeli territory is a clear threat to the state’s Jewish identity,” Danon told The Jerusalem Post. “The refugees’ place is not among us, and the initiative to transfer them to Australia is the right and just solution. “On the one hand, it treats the refugees and migrants in a humane way. On the other hand, it does not threaten Israel’s future and our goal to maintain a clear and solid Jewish majority,” he explained. Danon said Danby enthusiastically agreed to present the idea to the Australian Parliament. Danby was not available for comment, however, as he was in-flight on his way back to Australia. According to the Knesset’s Research and Information Center, there were 35,638 migrants in Israel as of May. Fewer than 1 percent are recognized by the UN as refugees. Some 61% of the migrants – 21,748 people – are Eritrean, however, and categorized as members of a “temporary humanitarian protection group” by the UN, because they cannot be returned safely to their home country due to internal strife." “Since Australia has a policy of accepting refugees and groups under protection, I would appreciate it if you could promote a solution in which Australia would accept those who seeking refuge,” Danon wrote in a letter to the MP from Melbourne following their meeting.
Cairns Wallabies murdered..
The NT Govt has withdrawn its report
Hello Vivienne,
Your link to 'Read more on The pastoral industry in the Northern Territory is ecologically unsustainable' has been compromised.
If you have the original source please re-post; as we all know how our governments tend to hide inconvenient environmental facts.
Thanks.
Tigerquoll
Suggan Buggan
Snowy River Region
Victoria 3885
Australia
Financial Times: Berlusconi opposed to war against Libya
Torquay overdevelopment like cancer metastases
The Torquay issue is akin to metastases breaking out in yet another organ of a cancer sufferer. Victoria and indeed the whole of Australia is in the grip of a terrible process whereby a forceful few are taking advantage of natural and built amenity, undermining it with over development with which they make obscene profits. The effect on the incumbent population is vastly negative. These profiting few will continue until the law of diminishing returns means that they can no longer capitalise on anything further in a particular area-in other words they will have trashed it -and then they will move on and continue with the process.
I have just read the introduction to a history of Melbourne written by Tim Flannery which is profoundly moving . It details the horrific and progressive dispossession of the Aborigines in Victoria especially around Melbourne a century or so ago. The new settlers showed little mercy to the indigenous people driving them further and further away from their home range which were of course the areas of interest to the Europeans, onto smaller and smaller areas of land until only a fraction of the original population survived. The local natural environment was largely destroyed in a few decades and a whole way of life that had endured for tens of thousands of years was at an end. This knowledge is not new to most of us , but the detail in Flannery's account brings those horrific decades to life. My first impulse was to find out how I could help the descendants of these people,at least those who remain near where I live. I kept thinking about this and then realised that the time has passed. It is over and we cannot ever make up for what has happened to the former custodians of "Victoria". Intending no disrespect and not wishing to diminish what happened- a total catastrophe for the Aborigines- we also face dispossession right now. We are a few decades away from finding our lives unrecognisably impoverished. The hardest thing to do is to fight for it but if we do we are fighting for all of us including the descendants of those suffering people. The easier thing is not to see ourselves as under attack and to see others as victims. The word NIMBY is used to dis-empower and embarrass people and dissuade us from sticking up for ourselves.
We see ourselves as sophisticated because we can read and maybe went to university, but we are being robbed in a sophisticated way- through persuasion and being divided amongst ourselves so we can't pull together in our own interests. Just as the Aborigines gave up land in what is now Melbourne for some blankets and tomahawks, we are being persuaded that we are better off than decades ago because of e.g. electronic gadgetry or affordable comfortable furniture. We are being persuaded that we have more than previous generations who went to a place like Torquay, camping there for next to nothing as though they owned it ,freely enjoying its natural offering . All that is finished.
Our whole environment is being progressively ruined with over development relying on and facilitated by very high population growth, and the sale of real estate overseas. Sounds like nothing compared with the trauma to the Aborigines inflicted by the 19th century European settlers. Instead, we are being robbed insidiously,distracted with what we can buy in the shops while that which matters most -- our real estate -- is taken from under us.
Where will this end? Fewer and fewer of us will own our own homes. This is trivialised as "The great Australian dream" but at least most of us had a chance at it and it meant some sort of security especially with a backyard with enough sun falling on it to grow food. The attainment of a home will increasingly be a box (apartment) rather than a house. The coast will be for the rich, not for everyone. Is that not dispossession, too? When that process is complete, what then?
ref. The book I am reading is -The birth of Melbourne- edited and introduced by Tim Flannery
Australia an ideal target for asylum seekers
Spielberg's Super 8 really is good, you are right
The Northern Territory Pastoral industry is unsustainable
Steven Spielberg's "Super 8" not to be missed on big screen
George Washington would disown us - Colin Powell chief of staff
"The old Federal Democratic Republic is dying"
Is the US turning into a National Security State?
"This is crazy. This was what we do today. We do war. The old Federal Republic is dying."
Embedded interview with Lawrence Wilkerson, A former Republican military man sees the light with comments originally posted to BrassCheck TV at http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/war-is-a-racket/they-love-war.html Embedded video also on YouTube at http://www.youtube.com/v/FDjiGln8O6w?version=3&&rel=0.
Fukushima
Human sterlization most humane
'VicForests'..a bureaucratic euphemism for...
Those who choose to live by the immoral sword...
Clyde History
AUSTRALIA IS STILL CLEARING TOO MUCH NATIVE VEGETATION
No quick fix for live export
Ignoring population growth is irresponsible
Housing is eating away our few open spaces
Golden Cockerel
CFA head in sand is worse than tigerquoll under log
Crawling out from the nearest log, a little bird has awoken me to my 17th July 2009 article 'Victorian aircraft capability', by an anonymous commenter dated 15th June 2011.
Two years later, I am glad I was not waiting up Mr Anonymous. Your antagonistic opening line of 'hiding under a log' is a tad hypocritical.
Your inept powers of persuasion almost make me want to crawl back to the warm moist log.
In response:
1. Giving 'anon' the benefit of the doubt, I did "try Googling "SAU Victoria" and I found the following options:
a. Victoria Sau, Mujeres en Red
- [ Translate this page ]
SAU, Victoria (Barcelona 1930) Licenciada en Psicología y en Historia Contemporanea y profesora de Psicología Diferencial en la Universidad de Barcelona. ...
www.mujeresenred.net/sau-victoria.html
b. SAU Victoria
SAU VIC Committee · - Club Contact information · - Membership information · - Sponsors & Supporters · - SAU VIC Constitution ...
www.sauvic.com.au/
c. www.skylinesaustralia.com/.../363168-2011-sau-vic-events-calendar/
Seems all a bum steer here!
So then addressing the tangible comments by our 'anon', which I list in turn:
Anon Claim 1: 'Victoria has an extensive aircraft fleet for aerial firefighting and has had for several decades - by far the best and most well organised in the country.'
Response from the log:
* If Victoria has an extensive aircraft fleet for aerial firefighting,
1. Where is the fleet based?
2. What is the fleet's record in responding to and extinguishing bushfires?
3. Why was the fleet not able to save 173 Victorians in February 2009?
4. If it is "far the best and most well organised in the country" why does it not have a website?
Anon Claim 2: 'As the report says you need to get aircraft up fast to stop a fire.'
Response from the log:
* Yes agreed, properly equipped aircraft are inherently faster and more flexible in suppressing bushfires in remote country than fire trucks can be.
Anon Claim 3: 'In the case of Black Saturday the only successful saves by aircraft in stopping the fire were 1 in Narrie Warren when an Aircrane "dropped in" on the way past and another in the Dandenongs when a Bell 205 was already airborne heading to another fire. In no circumstances on Black Saturday did an aircraft get dispatched from a standing start and stop a fire.'
Response from the log:
1. Since the CFA knew that the bushfire index was off the risk scale to an unprecedented level, why did it decide on business as usual preparedness and response?
2. How many bushfire equipped and ready aircraft were sourced and put on operational standby by the CFA on 6th and 7th January 2009 ahead of this known catastrophic bushfire risk condition? What percentage increase did this number represent over and above standard conditions?
3. How many aircranes were available to the CFA at the time?
4. If aircranes were deemed the most effective early response to bushfire then given the unprecedented bushfire risk conditions, were not more sourced and deployed?
Anon Claim 4: 'In 98% of cases (Black Saturday) the aircraft could only undertake asset protection works (which they did well).'
Response from the log:
1. Why?
2. When risk of uncontrolled wildfire is apparent, why was the bushfire management strategy in response to Black Saturday to 'only undertake asset protection works', knowing that extreme uncontrolled wildfire allowed to build and rage in natural forest, would within hours engulf human assets downwind?
Anon Claim 5: It is totally unrealistic to have aircraft in the air just flying around waiting for a fire to start - particularly given the conditions of Black Saturday.
Response from the log:
If it is 'totally unrealistic' to have aircraft in the air just flying around waiting for a fire to start, then when is the CFA and bushfire management declaring defeat in being able to fight serious wildfire and being unable to protect human lives and property, as well as high conservation value natural assets? If so, it needs to publicly declare this, in which case it should be immediately dismissed as under-resourced, incompetent and useless.
Question: If a dozen spotter aircraft had been deployed to monitor ignitions across know high risk bushfire areas of Victoria at this time of extreme bushfire risk on Black Saturday, could the ignitions have been detected faster than relying upon public calls to 000, and could the response have been more targeted, and could the suppression timing been more effective, so as to reduce the wildfire catastrophe?
Fire fighting agencies that do not fight fire effectively have no validity. They may as well go to the pub and grant respect to residents who already know that:
In the event of bushfire, fight your own fires!
Tigerquoll
Suggan Buggan
Snowy River Region
Victoria 3885
Australia
Just a distraction
Outrage grows on ritual killing
Why are "refugee rights" groups silent about war against Libya?
I posted the following comment to Ex Senator Andrew Bartlett's blog at 9.00AM this morning. As of 2:56 PM it's publication is still awaiting approval (although nothing else has yet been added in the intervening 6 hours either). I will be interested to read Andrew Bartlett's response.
Have you noticed that none of those who have been outspoken for the rights of the ‘boat people’, not even you, it seems, have been able to find their voices to speak up against the bombing of Libya and the threatened war against Syria?
Editor's comment: The article Time to remove mandatory sentencing of ‘people smugglers’ was published on 17 April, over two months ago, and only two more articles have been added to andrewbartlett.com in the intervening period of more than 2 months, so I would not hold my breath waiting for Andrew Bartlett to read your comment, approve it and respond to it. Still, should he ever respond, I would be most interested to read his response.
Australian farm land being sold off

Horrific story - more details?
Population activists also targeted
ANIMAL ADVOCATES RECEIVE DEATH THREATS
government ineptitude and reliance on coverup
Is Halal killing meant to be cruel?
"The act of slaughter (Al-Dhabh) starts by pronouncing the name of ALLAH (s.w.t), The Creator (BISMILLAH ALLAHU AKBAR ), to take His permission and in order to make the Slaughter-man accountable and responsible and to give compassion and mercy to the animal during this act. Besides, any action we do in our daily life should be commenced with the mention of the name of ALLAH (s.w.t ) The Most Kind, The Most Merciful. The Qur’an says: “And eat not of that where on ALLAH’s name has not been mentioned for verily it is abomination. ( Surah Anam 6/121) Then, by a very, very sharp knife (which should be kept like a surgeon’s knife in sharpness and cleanliness, as previously stated by DR Ghulam Khan (UFAW, 1971), a Deep swift cut done instantaneously and quickly to the blood vessels of the neck (the two caroid arteries which carry blood to the brain and head, the two jugular veins which bring blood from the brain back to the heart), the trachea (windpipe) and the oesophagus (gullet), but the central nervous system (the spinal cord) should be kept safe and intact (not cut). This deep, large cut through all the blood vessels of the neck causes acute blood loss and haemorrhagic shock: we know the blood is under great pressure , especially in the big carotid arteries (systolic pressure ) and at high speed and, according to physical law, the pressure always goes from the high to low resistance - the point of the cut is the scene of low resistance for blood to and from the brain. As we have a fully intact, alive heart, so most of the blood is going to be pumped and poured out instantaneously and quickly under pressure leading to a rapid fall in the blood pressure. Thus depriving the brain of its main source of oxygen and glucose, and with no blood which is necessary to keep the animal alive and functioning and able to deal with any perceptive sensation this leads to anoxia and almost immediate loss of consciousness (anesthetization or “stunning” ). The cerebrospinal fluid pressure falls even more rapidly than the blood pressure because of the jugular veins being cut, and this results in a deep shock and more loss of consciousness. The animal, at this stage after the cut, is in a stable and quiet state with no movement or any distressed behavior. One would assume, if there was any pain or suffering, it would kick, move or show signs. After this short resting phase, and because the brain is deprived of oxygen and blood due to the huge amount of bleeding, the heartbeats increase in order to increase the flow of blood to the brain and other deprived areas. Tonic and clonic involuntary contractions and convulsions start and occur as automatic physiological reflexes in order to send and push blood up, especially to the brain. These contractions and convulsions are ‘painless’ (not, as the layman would imagine, that the kicking is due to the pain) especially when the animal is already unconscious and still has an intact spinal cord with safe nerve centers to the limbs, muscles and organs. So, we have a huge amount of bleeding from the initial cut then blood loss is continuing with the squeezing pressure of these contractions and convulsions, leading to maximum bleeding-out and less retention of blood in the carcass, giving a better quality of meat [both safer and healthier (this is like direct method of slaughter, “but without stunning”)]."
Relocalisation of meat industry
This article makes several highly contentious statements as fact without supplying documentation, so I would expect some of our readers to raise a number of objections on those grounds. However the article is published for the obvious merits in its advocation of relocalisation and steps towards this. Some of its statements about aboriginal employment in the live export industry are common sense. It won't please those among our readers who want all meat consumption to cease.
People who admire the camel for its remarkable adaptations, and then again those who also see it as a form of transport - indeed a major part of such an economy - to replace petroleum (in a futuristic nomadic culture for Australia) won't be impressed at any idea that reduces this animal to its value as meat alone. Advocating the use of camels for meat runs the risk of entrenching the camel further since it would acquire industrial value and similar industrial lobby strength as cattle and sheep. However the camel, even if it is a damaging eater, has virtuously padded rather than hoofed feet
The article also won't please ecologists who would see buffalo as highly destructive to the northern territory environment, although, in the buffalo's defense, its hoof has been described as wider and bigger than that of other cattle in proportion to its size and therefore less compacting to the environment. Another argument is that the buffalo has existed in wetlands in northern Australia for 150 years and the harm attributed to it needs to be taken in the context of the many other causes of damage to the wetlands.
I cite from "The Water Buffalo: New Prospects for an Underutilized Animal," where you will find more on the buffalo and the environment.
"Soil Compaction
Water buffaloes have larger hooves than cattle of comparable size and thus they compact the soil less. But buffaloes often live in damp, boggy areas where their feet may compact soft soils. Also, buffaloes are creatures of habit and, when able, they set up fixed points for drinking, feeding, defecating, wallowing, and sleeping. Between the points they wear sharply defined trails in the vegetation and soil.
Wallowing
Possibly the water buffalo's greatest environmental limitation is its propensity to build wallows. In hot climates every buffalo will wallow at some time during the heat of the day if water is available. When they can, buffaloes will make their own wallows, enlarging a mud puddle by rolling in it or even using their heads to flip water out of a drinking trough and muddying the ground nearby.
The pasture in the immediate area of the wallow is usually damaged by trampling and waterholes may become fouled, but buffaloes return to the same wallow day after day and do not build new ones indiscriminately. Thus, the muddied area is not a large proportion of the location in which they graze unless a large number of animals are confined in a small space(At Gainesville, Florida (possibly because of its subtropical but not hot climate), a herd of 52 buffaloes concentrated in a one-hectare field did not attempt to build a wallow at all. - Information supplied by H. Popenoe.) . In addition, man-made wallows can be dug at safe sites and the animals will use them. The problem of wallowing is therefore not generally a serious one." Source:
http://www.cd3wd.com/cd3wd_40/lstock/001/CattlGen/Wat-Buffalo/B1723_13.HTM
Contradictions from Canberra
New page for linked articles
Claim that US not engaged in war against Libya ludicrous
RT Media Amazingly frank war and political reporting
People have short memories
Australia has an embarrassing oversupply of water
Opportunity to report on Victoria's reform
Get rid of assets
live export suspension - challenge to self-sufficiency
Further elaboration of Australia's massive export of water
As stated in the paper, the definition of virtual water is somewhat variable:
“In 2003, A.Y. Hoekstra (a scientist at the University of Twente in the Netherlands) expanded the definition of virtual water as being to denote the water used in the production process of an agricultural or industrial product, “including the water applied in the use and waste stages of the product.”. He used this definition to calculate the Virtual Water Content (VWC) of various agricultural commodities and later did an extensive estimation of the Virtual Water transfers between nations.”
Although a proportion (as yet undefined) of virtual water will certainly return to the hydrologic cycle, the water consumed in the creation of produce for export in any given year is effectively lost to other uses, including environmental flows and production for the domestic market.
VicForests' eco-crimes uncovered
They are not interested in birds unless involves $ and growth
No way
I find this very hard to believe. Who is allowing Australia to ship so much water? More than any other nation? There's just no way. My dad was there a few years ago and he could hardly find words for the seriousness of the drought they've been having. Who is collecting all the shipped water? Surely someone needs to be fired.
Editorial comment: 1 litre of water can be very closely approximated to 1000 cm3 = 1 x 10-12 km3. This means that the 72,998 Gigalitres that Australia is exporting each year can be thought of as 73 cubic kilometres of water, figure that is almost too huge to imagine.
If we take into account, the water imports of 9,07 cubic kilometres, the total net exports of water would be 64 cubic kilometres. However, very little of that imported water would help offset the environmental damage caused by the extraction of 73 cubic kilometres for export.
Save these feathered jewels
Victoria's aircraft capability
Not sure which log you guys have been hiding under but Victoria has an extensive aircraft fleet for aerial firefighting and has had for several decades - by far the best and most well organised in the country. As the report says you need to get aircraft up fast to stop a fire. In the case of Black Saturday the only successful saves by aircraft in stopping the fire were 1 in Narrie Warren when an Aircrane "dropped in" on the way past and another in the Dandenongs when a Bell 205 was already airborne heading to another fire. In no circumstances on Black Saturday did an aircraft get dispatched from a standing start and stop a fire. In 98% of cases the aircraft could only undertake asset protection works (which they did well). It is totally unrealistic to have aircraft in the air just flying around waiting for a fire to start - particularly given the conditions of Black Saturday.
Try Googling "SAU Victoria" and you will find out all about the States comprehensive fleet.
Outback arsenic poisoning
Dark humor exposes a truth
Too many people!
Public will be hit hard by rising costs of electiricy
Australia a blank canvas - a carte blanche
Lose lose
Kevin Rudd, Murdoch press fan flames of Libyan Civil War
On the ABC Radio news I heard that Foreign Minister and former 'Labor' Prime Minister Kevin Rudd had taken sides in the civil war now ravaging Libya by recognising the Transitional Council and not the administration of Muammar Gaddafi as the legitimate government of Libya. However, the Sydney Morning Herald reported the same day:
The federal government will continue to recognise the Gaddafi-appointed Libyan ambassador to Australia despite declaring it considers the rebels to be the country's legitimate representatives.
The Murdoch press, which stridently supported the illegal invasion of Iraq in 2003, which has so far cost many hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives, has endorsed Rudd's recognition of the Transitional Council asthe Government of Libya (if not his continuing to recognise the Libyan ambasador) in the article, Rudd takes the lead on Libya:
RESCUING Libya's people from the ravages of the Gaddafi regime is one of the great moral challenges of our times, and Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd's success in placing Australia in the forefront of countries doing something tangible about it deserves bipartisan support. ...
Guerilla gardeners against developers - Groundswell
More housing tax rorts
BREAKING NEWS: Intense NATO Bombings of Tripoli
Indigenous not to be recognised by Ballieu government
Don't miss "The Kennedys" this Sunday night 8.30PM on ABC TV 1
Don't miss The Kennedys this Sunday Night on ABC TV 1 at 8.30PM
I think the series is great, although it would be hard for any producer not to make a good series given the subject matter. I don't know yet how it will treat, on Sunday 12 June, the subject of his murder, the truth about which has been made a taboo topic by both the establishment newsmedia and much of the supposed alternative media. Even if the show fails to grasp that nettle, it will has still been well worth watching so far simply for showing how John F. Kennedy got to become President of the United States, what he achieved as President with the help of his brother Bobby and why he took the choices he did.
Jackie to her daughter: "Your daddy just saved the world!"
Last week JFK's wife Jacqueline Kennedy told her daughter, "Your daddy just saved the world!" after JFK had found a way to defuse the Cuban missile Crisis in 1962 as many of his generals (and some of their opposite numbers in the Eastern bloc) were doing their utmost to inflame it.
JFK was a courageous and selfless hero in every real sense: in wartime as commander of PT109 and in office when he successfully stood up to the military-industrial complex the former President Eisenhower warned against in January 1961. His example puts to shame most other world political leaders before and since.
Jon Faine seems insensitive to cruelty to animals
Negative gearing and rental properties
Scary immigration trends in USA by catholic latinos
Graphic footage of cattle
Negative gearing exacerbates the problem of housing
Negative gearing unhealthy, says ANZ CEO Phil Chronican
Julia's plans for Bigger than Big Australia
Libya says NATO raids killed 718 civilians
Direct democracy demonstrations in Greece
Read Global Research (http://globalresearch.ca) article by Marta Soler and Carlos Robles.
During the day, one can see several hundred working class demonstrators against the cutbacks at the postal service near Syntagma Square (the parliament), with the fear that the government will privatize it and sell it to a German company which will lay off large numbers of postal workers (perhaps over 50%). At 6 o’clock in Syntagma Square, a crowd starts to gather under a banner which says "no to apathy – direct democracy (amesi demokratia)." It is the ninth day of such gatherings and discussions. There is an open mike for speeches and proposals. By 8, some 50,000 people have gathered (I am with some friends near the speaker on the edge of the people seated, the crowd surges around, and up the high steps to the road that separates the Parliament and may extend over in front of it. The woman who moderates (one of several moderators) calls for a continuation of a discussion proposed the previous night (that meeting ended at 4 AM), and takes hands for 20 speakers (eventually there is a vote which approves hearing from all of them before continuing).
Most of the crowd is young, the people in their twenties. The European Union, to which the Greek government is obsequious, even though headed by a Socialist (George Papandreou, who is reputed - a rarity among leading Socialists - an honest man), has demanded that the Greek parliament vote on June 15 on a maximum salary for every young worker before she reaches the age of 25: five hundred – 500 - euros a month. This is a poverty, near starvation wage for a young Athenian (barely enough to pay rent – perhaps if 4 people share an apartment - let alone eat).
The Greek parliament has been a weak institution, limited by fascism and a military coup and tyranny (1967-74). It is a series of small desks (one has to hunch in to sit in them, as I discovered when I took my students to see it three years ago). There is no space for an audience. Parliament in Greece is confined, and behind closed doors. A generally discussed proposal in the crowd is to block the parliamentarians from entering the parliament, prevent a vote, get them to drop the proposal. ...
Too much Salt bad for your health
Salt's moderated position in this discussion was transparently disingenuous to anyone abreast of the issue. The notion of growing for 'just another 10-15 years' is obviously an oily smokescreen. It seeks to maintain the momentum of the status quo by diverting attention from, and marginalising as 'extreme', the action that is immediately necessary. Given similar politics in 10-15 years time, Mr Salt or his regenerative industry clones will be maintaining the same notional horizon for delay.
A rejoinder to Salt's pretense is to ask him to define the process by which building trades jobs will transitioned to enable his envisioned growth slowdown in 10-15 years time. If he has or knows of such a plan, then why not apply it now? If he hasn't one, or any clue where one will come from, then quite obviously he is going to chant the same reasons for extending growth rates at that future time.
It is true that employment patterns and collateral-based debt (hinged upon property price increases) within the current economy are huge structural problems. However these problems only get worse by propping them up via ongoing population growth.
I've recently come across the following stark illumination:
"The earth isn't dying, people are killing it. These people have names and addresses."
I understand that Mr Salt's address is Camberwell, a leafy Melbourne suburb largely unaffected by the negative conditions pursuant to Mr Salt's advocacy. B.S. and his ilk are able to protect their own amenity with the considerable wealth they garner from activity that commits many others to hell. He should perhaps plan on building himself higher walls if he intends to continue touting the growth of hell on earth around him.
Joe Bageant
Damage bill of Queensland higher than expected
The latest costs from last summer's Queensland floods and Cyclone Yasi have climbed to $6.8 billion, $1 billion higher than the State Government's February estimate.
As well as loss of lives and livelihoods, there has also been enormous damage to infrastructure and significant costs incurred in managing the response and recovery process. Queensland will end up being liable for around $1.8 billion in damage costs when the loans provided are redeemed. It illustrates just how fragile our economy is to natural disasters and human error. Julia Gillard's "big Australia" will mean that far from ensure a bigger tax base and more prosperity, there will be more potential risks and damage especially in a nation prone to droughts and flooding rain.
The second line of "Advance Australia Fair":
For those who've come across the seas
We've boundless plains to share;
... needs to be revised!
Celebrate saving St Mary's Paddock and Children's Farm VIC
Housing developments in Canberra threat
PR for Australia - another immigration touting site
Gas-fracking linked to earthquakes in US and UK
Tony Delroy gives Bernard Salt a free kick
Correction!
Kangaroo "cull" starting in Canberra
The ageing chestnut
Wholly agree
Railway at Baulkham Hills?
Vale Joe Bageant
Correction made to heading. Heading had incorrectly given Joe Bageant's first name as 'Ted'. Thank you to the anonymous commentator who pointed out the mistake. - Ed, 3 Jun 11
Ted Bageant was one of the finest observers of corporate capitalism and it's effect on the working poor in the US.
He chastised the traditional right in America for it's sycophantic relationship with corporate America and it's greed-based philosophy, which is entirely as you might expect.
Where he was almost unique, though, was in his acute critique of what passes for the new left. He noted that many on the left felt nothing short of disdain for 'white trash' and were more comfortable espousing fashionable causes than in taking action that would directly confront big business or improve the lives of some backwards rednecks.
A similar trend can be observed clearly in Australia, where Green Left Weekly (see greenleft.org.au - Ed) is still more likely to be banging on about Tamils celebrating Mulivaikal Rembrance Day than arguing for trade or finance system reforms that would directly benefit Australian workers.
A full copy of one Mr Bageant's last interviews, with the ABC's Big Ideas program, can be found here.
We could use more like Ted.
Overpopulation
Joe Bageant's final book - Rainbow Pie: A Redneck Memoir
Faine cannot accept average Australian point of view
I disagree with the comment
Jakarta calls for calm in cattle row
'Economists' depict living standard declines as increases
Smith-Salt debate - ABC bias?
Take Action to ban live exports
Salt-Smith-Jon Faine Show: Only a pretence of a debate
Contrary to ABC radio 2GB's promotion, the debate was only for half an hour and not one hour. The second half hour was given over to a businessman[1]. Even though, Dick Smith and Bernard Salt remained in the studio, the second half hour was taken up with the businessman's pet topics including the claim that many very wealthy people are philanthropic. Some of the second half hour was given to the claim that Australia was becoming a smarter country because of high immigration, but none of the second half hour was given to the case against immigration. So, if we take away the time taken up by the 10.00AM news and the formalities of starting the program, probably only 20 minutes was given to any actual debate of which only about 10 minutes would have been taken up by Dick Smith arguing against population -- nowhere near enough time for Dick Smith to put his case and to shoot down Salt's spurious pro-population-growth arguments.
Unsurprisingly, the debate was not conclusive. The full fifty minutes may have been just enough time to give some justice to this critical issue. Had this been done, the arguments put by Salt, which he is given so much other air time to put elsewhere, could have been easily shown up to be as illogical as they were.
Footnotes
1. I have forgotten the businessman's name and it is not currently listed on the web site.
I'd just like to say that the above piece is said with humour..