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Hi Vivienne, Kennett brought in the policy of rural density with wider definitions of family reunions in country areas and ultimately to cbds as places 'in need of immigration'. Bracks continued this. Brumby continues it. The developers have been stuffing up places like Ballarat and Bendigo, stretching their water supplies beyond their limits in drought periods etc. Sounds like the Greens are just planning to continue to facilitate the developers in the same bad old tradition as Menzies and all the other land-speculating governments. The point is, I think, that just because you call yourself 'Green' doesn't mean that you really are. The use of political brands seems to have been abused in the case of the Victorian Greens. Why are activists looking to the Greens. Wake up! Sheila Newman, population sociologist

Downloading the full document for the Land Use Planning Policy states that one of their key priorities is: The Australian Greens Victoria will work towards (not promise): "Increasing state budget rural and regional allocations in percentage terms to stimulate jobs, investment and population in these areas". Also, "Mixed use medium density residential, commercial, office and (where appropriate) industrial development being increased in regional centres, small towns and suburban centres, with convenient access to frequent public transport". They will allow increased urban areas where there is infrastructure in place: "Greenfield/brownfield land being converted to urban uses only after public transport (electrified rail, tram or bus) construction has been factored into the land development pricing along with local/state government partnerships". They will also work towards (not promise): "Creating a permanent green belt around Melbourne’s Urban Growth Boundary". They condemn our urban sprawl overtaking fertile lands and threatening the amenities of coastal areas, so will distribute people more to rural and regional areas, not actually stop land subdivision or population growth. This makes our growth rate more "sustainable"?

Overturning a century of greed to better manage the Murray-Darling will be a test of the nation, South Australian Premier Mike Rann says. "For 100 years this river system has been run in the most irresponsible way based on the lowest common denominator of states vetoing other states because of greed and sectional interest".

The long-term productivity and sustainability of the Murray-Darling Basin is under threat from over-allocated water resources, salinity and climate change.

Water use in the Basin has increased five-fold in less than a century. The problems caused by over-allocation have been exacerbated by severe drought and the early impacts of climate change. Add population growth too! There is insufficient water to maintain the Basin's natural balance and ecosystems, resulting in a marked decline in its ecological health.

Many species that once were common are now rare and listed nationally for protection under the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999. At least 35 bird species and 16 mammals that live in the Basin are endangered. Twenty mammal species have become extinct since 1900 and Murray Cod, Australia's largest freshwater fish which was once widespread, is in severe decline.

In 2003, 80 per cent of the remaining River Red Gums on the Murray River floodplain in South Australia were stressed to some degree due to the combination of human activity and drought, and 20-30 per cent of those were severely stressed. With the ongoing drought the situation is significantly worse now.

We are supposed to reap Nature's excess, or bounty, not erode its "Capital" - the basic ecological structures that support the production of water! It's like burning a house's beams for firewood and calling it "sustainable"!

By 1994, 77% of the Murray River's annual flow was being diverted for human use, with 95% of this use being for agriculture. Environmental flows were conveniently forgotten in the race for agribusiness profits.

As a result, a lack of water has played havoc with rivers, wetlands, forests and floodplains.

At the economic root of the problem of the water crisis is the unsustainable over-allocation of water allowances in the Murray-Darling basin to farming, particularly the export-oriented agribusinesses.

Victoria exports around 85 per cent of Australia’s dairy product exports, worth around $2.3 billion in 2008-09. As such, returns to farmers are strongly connected to world dairy commodity and exchange markets. Dairy farmers in Queensland, New South Wales, Victoria and South Australia will be impacted and are now facing an uncertain future. Dairy farming is responsible for the biggest allocations of water.

Australia could lose $805 million a year in agricultural production and 800 jobs, under a draft plan to revive the struggling Murray-Darling river system. That's the assessment of the Murray-Darling Basin Authority.

The removal of vast areas of native vegetation (in some cases over 95% of areal extent) has resulted in 5–15% of rainfall leaking past the root zone over agricultural land. This has caused the changes in land and river salinity. Nevertheless native vegetation and re-vegetation has a most important role in salinity control. Maintenance of remnant native vegetation throughout the basin is a key target in order to conserve and maintain biodiversity and ecosystem services in conjunction with salinity control. The integration of native vegetation into landscape design is critical to halting further loss of species and ecosystem function. This should include wildlife too!

And the science indicates that there's no longer enough water in the rivers to keep the rivers alive.

Roy Hoskings, a rural supplier in the New South Wales Murrumbidgee region, says if the water allocation cuts of up to 45 per cent go ahead local produce such as carrots, onions, rockmelons and pumpkins will be affected.

Australia is already a net importer of food, and food exports need to be prioritized to provide for Australians first and foremost. Proposed drastic cuts to water allocations in the Murray-Darling Basin will hit farmers from Griffith to Narrabri and send supermarket prices soaring, industry experts said.

Economically, through exports of its wheat, wool and meat, it has underpinned Australia’s early economic development, although today its agricultural products represent only 2% of GDP and 4% of export earnings. Currently, over a third of the food for Australia’s own consumption is grown in the Basin.

We already are facing record high prices for water, power and housing. Now food prices will increase. Why then are we continuing to increase our population in face of more "shortages" - this time of food production?

These "experts" selected for population committees by our politicians would not be able to design a camel! We don't need more committees, think tanks, consultations or studies about population. All we need to do is limit the baby bonus to two children per female, and limit immigration to 50,000 per year or less. We employ our politicians to be dynamic, to be thinkers and planners, and show some initiative and results. Even a child would understand that a finite vessel can't continually be added to or it will overflow! With the threat of food shortages from the demise of the Murray Darling food bowl, and the demolition of vineyards, market farms for urban sprawl, it does not take too much joining of dots to see that our main sources of population growth - immigration - must take some hard cuts. We are slaves to "political correctness" and fear of being called "racist". We must start public demonstrations, and resist being silenced by such ill-founded political manipulations.

Suspects du Preez and Maluleka will join Dawie Groenewald, veterinarian Karel Toet, and nine other people in court on April 11th, 2011, to face charges of assault, fraud, corruption, malicious damage to property, illegal possession of firearms and ammunition, and contravening the National Environmental Management Biodiversity Act. The masterminds behind South Africa's growing rhino poaching scandal could find themselves blacklisted internationally and banned from working in conservation ever again. Multiple charges have been brought against this group, including racketeering, money laundering, various counts of theft, malicious damage to property and contraventions of the various provincial Conservation Acts and the Aviation Act. Rhinos are under siege, due to the demand from China and Vietnam for illegal rhino horn in traditional medicines. However, rhino horn has been scientifically tested and proven to have no medicinal value. The pair will return to the dock in April next year with Groenewald and 10 other accomplices. Investigators have also been collecting evidence at Groenewald’s Limpopo farm. Investigators believe the game farm owner was buying up to 100 rhino a year and but was not able to account for many of these animals.

I've never yet met a kangaroo who did not want to put as much distance as possible between him/herself and humans. This (no doubt true) story has a typical format- humans misbehave with respect to animals, damage is done to humans or animals or both and animals pay the price. This tragedy sounds totally unnecessary and raises the question "what were adults at the picnic doing while the children were harassing the poor kangaroo ? " Getting drunk? Just being morons? If humans who know nothing about animals and have no empathy are allowed into situations where they will come in contact with them they need to be educated in this regard in primary schools. The trouble is (apart from the fact that there are too many people) that as we become increasingly urbanised and society's familiarity with wild life diminishes, there will not be enough teachers with direct experience or the interest to teach small children. I don't hold out much hope in future for wildlife on our urban fringes that gets in the way of members of the human plague.

This article just goes to show that alot of people are breeding a race of imbeciles.. Notice where the article mentions that " There were kids chasing this poor kangaroo and it could have turned around and killed them, when they panic they can do all sorts of horrible things"..My answer to this is that its a shame this poor animal didnt take a couple of these Morons in the making out before it died this horrific death at the hands of this menace.. A kangaroo that died after it was harassed and chased by picnickers has prompted wildlife rescuers to call on the public to leave native animals alone. Rescuers were called to the Greenvale Reservoir on September 26 after reports a kangaroo was being chased, forcing it to keep running into a fence. By the time rescuers arrived, the animal "was bleeding everywhere” with broken teeth, a broken jaw, fractured eye socket and inflamed face from trying to escape through the fence. Wildlife rescuer Laurelle Erwin said they had no choice but to euthanise the male kangaroo. "People were just harassing him all day and it led to his death,” she said. Ms Erwin said hundreds of people were at the picnic site chasing the kangaroo and frightening it. The situation could have ended worse, with injuries making kangaroos "nervous and unpredictable”, she said. "There were kids chasing him, he could’ve turned around and killed them, when they panic they can do all sorts of things.” With more people expected to picnic and visit reserves in the lead-up to summer, Ms Erwin has called on the public to stay away from native animals. Ms Erwin was disappointed the public harassed the animal and said people needed more knowledge about how to treat wildlife properly. "It could’ve been prevented and we could’ve moved him on,” she said. RSPCA spokesman Tim Pilgrim said the public "should not attempt to chase or herd it away as the animal may become frightened or disoriented and injure itself”. He said the RSPCA was "very upset” that the kangaroo had to be put down. If you see injured wildlife call Wildlife Rescuers on 0417 506 941 or Wildlife Victoria on 1300 094 535. *Hume Leader

A recent article in favour of population growth is Rise of the Mega-cities And why they will save the human race by Doug Saunders. A brief note at the end of the article mentions that Doug Sanders is author of Arrival City: how the Largest Migration in History is Reshaping our World from which the article obviously derives much of its content. The article, itself, was two and a half pages in length including a page of photos . It also had a promotional page including a photo which comprised the front page of the Weekend Australian Magazine of 21-22 August 2010.

The fact that a major daily newspaper, the Australian can promote and print an article, which proposes such a clearly suicidal course for humanity as, instead, a solution to humankind's current predicament confirms that that this paper's continued ongoing influence gravely threatens our future.

In fact, Doug Saunders pretends to be in favour of global human population stability, but, mind you, only after humankind has continued to its conclusion what he claims is the current depopulation of rural areas by crowding ever more hundreds of millions into the world's cities. He insists that this will actually rescue billions now in grinding rural poverty by giving them access to more lucrative livelihoods, presumably in the factories of the larger cites.

He claims that it will actually be possible for the further industrialisation of farming that he argues must inevitably follow the depopulation of rural areas to make even more food available to feed not only the remaining residents of rural regions, but the billions of residents or the cities. In Saunders' words:

What about farming? Well, fewer than five per cent of Western populations are now employed in agriculture - sometimes as little as two per cent - and this is enough to produce more food, at low cost, than the their urban populations can consume. Now that the poor half of the world is once again experiencing food shortages, it is desperately important that this high-yield agriculture develop in the poor half of the world.

Of course, Saunders 'forgets' that "this high-yield agriculture" depends upon the availability of water and of energy stored in fossil fuel fertilisers. Australia and most regions of the world are running out of both the necessary water and the fossil fuels.

If Saunders is wrong, as he must surely be, then what ghastly fate awaits the hundreds of millions more crowded into cities a long way from the land, when the mechanised agricultural systems inevitably fail to produce anywhere near as much food as is needed by them? By comparison, the humanitarian disaster in which over a million inhabitants of the Soviet City of Leningrad died, mostly from starvation during its 900 day siege from 1941 until 1944 by the invading Germans, will look like a weekend picnic in comparison with what awaits the hundreds of millions crowded into the megacities of the future.

Living in non-urban areas the cause of poverty?

A lie that Saunders' thesis is based upon is that rural inhabitants can only possibly live in desperate poverty and only through urbanisation can they hope to achieve any kind of affluence.

He attempts to draw a distinction between 'rural' poverty on the one hand and 'urban' poverty on the othee, claiming the latter to be far more benign:

Urban poverty may force a mother to send her child onto the street to sell her goods; rural poverty will cause that child to die of starvation.

Why people, living in urban areas, have a guaranteed protection from starvation is not explained.

In reality, rural settlements, controlled from the grassroots up, have given much of humanity both good standards of living and a strong sense of community throughout most of our history. The desperately poor rural communities that Saunders holds up as the fate which must await anyone who does not live in a modern crowded suburbia is only the by-product of the form of industrialisation which has been imposed upon much of the world by Britain since the 18th century.

From GPSO Action #337: • Open borders, by offering an escape hatch or safety valve for developing nations , allows them to avoid to facing up to their unsustainable and growing population. • Open borders is a proven stimulant to fertility in countries of emigration (eg. Central America and the West Indies). The more children had, the greater the chances that one will land in the promised land and forward remittances or anchor and sponsor more family émigrés. • Open borders magnifies the ecological impact of migrants from poor to rich countries, making their numbers more significant. • Open borders, by boosting the population level of countries like the US, Canada, Australia and Britain, makes it difficult for them to achieve sustainability, and until they do so, they have no credibility when they tell developing countries to stabilize and reduce their populations. A “do as I say” rather than “do as I do” policy simply will not work. We have to clean up our own act here before we go preaching to the Africa or Afghanistan or the Philippines about constraining population growth. The Green contradiction: It is curious that in the immigration debate---whenever such a debate is permitted to occur------the Green-left Globalists switch horses in mid-stream. Within the confines of our national borders, they tell us that what is decisive is not how many people we can accommodate, but where they are situated. The classic mantra is "It is not whether we grow, but how we grow". We can double or triple or quadruple our numbers so long as we steer the population to urban centres, and pack them like sardines in a can to lower their per capita energy consumption and keep greenfield acreage untouched, along with ecologically significant nature reserves. Apart from the fallacy of low-energy urban living, and the political improbabilities of wresting land-use decisions from developer-controlled city councils and regional parliaments, this argument is incongruent with their stance on immigration. At that level of discussion, they tell us that it doesn't matter where people live on this planet, it is only their numbers which should be of concern. Moving people around from country to country, or excluding them from doing so does not address the problem. It is like the proverbial futility of moving deck chairs on the Titanic. Immigration, in their imagination, is not a population policy. Besides, building fences won't keep the global population tsunami from sweeping over us, nor will it keep out global warming. In other words, fences inside our borders are a solution to runaway population growth driven by hyper-immigration, but fences around our borders are no solution to runaway global population. Confusing, isn't it? Now get ready to be more confused. Canadian Green Party leader Elizabeth May, who argues for an immigration quota 25% larger than the Harper government's (already the highest per capita intake in the world), has pushed the traditional green line that "smart growth" planning can confine our growing population within ecologically benign urban boundaries. But when faced with complaints that our major cities are already strained beyond liveability with migrants, she has called for their dispersal to rural localities, despite the fact that people have left these regions for compelling economic reasons. So now we have a Green Party that tells us that we should squeeze tighter in urban centres, and relocate to the empty hinterland at the same time. The Green message is now clear. Fences work, but they don't work. Cram into the cities, but settle outside of them. And if you don't like our principles---just wait---we will find other ones for you. If that is not enough contradiction for you, then along comes the climate-obsessed Eco-Marxists. They oppose the free and unfettered passage of goods across national borders because they oppose the corporate agenda. But they support the free and unfettered passage of people across national border because they support the corporate agenda of smashing the indigenous labour force with cheap imported slave labour. Except that they call their globalism "international solidarity" with migrant workers. Native-born workers and native culture are expendable. And their idea of fighting climate change is to shift people from nations with low GHG emissions to nations of very high GHG emissions. Go figure.

An excerpt from "The Culture of Xenophilia" at http://candobetter.org/node/369

In the last century and a half another bold challenge was mounted to re-order our natural affinities. Christian universalism and the rootless cosmopolitanism that was world Jewry found a rival in Marxism. In 1848 Karl Marx told the workers of the world to unite. Incredibly that call is still heard today, albeit among sometimes obscure factions. The Socialist Party of Tampa Bay declared in its 2007 platform, “working people have no country, but rather an international bond based on class.” A canvass of similar groups across Anglo-America would not necessarily reveal such blatant indifference to national interests, but nevertheless take up open immigration and refugee positions and support blanket amnesty for illegal aliens.

Socialist writer Tom Lewis explains “Socialists are internationalists. Whereas nationalists believe that the world is divided primarily into different nationalities, socialists consider class to be the primary divide. For socialists, class struggle---not national identity—is the motor of history. And capitalism creates an international working class that must fight back against an international capitalist class.”

What is critical to the understanding of the Marxist attitude to nationalism is that it takes an entirely pragmatic approach. Marx drew a distinction between good and bad nationalism. “The nationalism of the workers belonging to an oppressor nation binds them to their rulers and only does harm to themselves, while the nationalism of an oppressed nation can lead them to fight back against these rulers.” Thus Marx favoured Irish nationalism, but not English. He opposed the national movements of the Southern Slavs, but supported the Indian rebellion against the British. Lenin warned that “workers who place political unity with their ‘own’ bourgeoisie above the complete unity of the proletariat of all the nations, are acting against their own interests.” To do so, to fall victim to nationalist affections, was to evidence “false consciousness”, an inability to recognize those interests, interpreted of course by party cadres.

Australian political scientist Frank Salter had this to say about the socialist attitude to nationalism. “The Left, as it has evolved over the course of the previous century, looks down on the ordinary people with their inarticulate parochialisms as if they were members of another species…since they care nothing for the preservation of national communities. Ethnies are considered irrelevant to the welfare of people in general. It would be understandable to Martians to be so detached from particular loyalties. But it is disturbing to humans doing so, especially humans who identify with the Left.”

Such is the European Left’s identification with the Other at the expense of the resident national that, in the name of anti-racism, it was possible for left-wing novelist Umberto Eco to declare his hope that Europe would be swamped by Africans and third world emigrants just so to “demoralize” racists. And such is the identification of the AFL-CIO with 13 million illegal immigrants as potential recruits that it supports amnesty and essentially a corporate welfare program that reduces wages for the lowest of American workers. A scheme which advocates call “liberalism” but American workers call an invasion. The Canadian Labour Congress (Edgar Bergen) and its social-democratic parliamentary arm, the NDP (Charlie McCarthy), sing the same tune. Crocodile tears are shed for “undocumented” workers who allegedly make great contributions to the economy, according to their hire-a-left-wing-think-tank. But Statistics Canada’s conclusions are the same as those of Dr. Borjias are for American workers. The British Trade Union Congress tried to put one over on the public with a September 2007 report cooked up by the left-wing Institute for Public Policy Research that maintained that amnesty for illegal immigrants would net the Treasury 1 billion pounds annually. More careful analysis revealed that amnesty would cost British taxpayers up to 1.8 billion pounds a year.

This Marxist legacy of international solidarity to the disavowal of national loyalties persists to the present sometimes in unalloyed form but more often as one strand in a synthesis of muddled xenophilia with Christian and environmental thought. The latter mutation is expressed in the Canadian argument that since global warming is a global problem requiring global cooperation, to obtain this cooperation we must not send out unfriendly messages of “fear” by closing our borders, but drop them instead. Presumably a radically downward adjustment in consumption habits and greener technology will compensate for all the extra millions who would swarm in. Instead of “workers of the world unite” the Greens offer us a new rallying cry: “More and more people, consuming less and less.”

But just as Christian thought is not monolithic, neither is social democratic thought. Arguably the most famous and independent socialist intellectual of the English speaking world, George Orwell, once remarked that “in all countries, the poor are more national than the rich.” Bukharin was wrong. For the working class, national identity was just as important as class identity. And now finally, after their constituents have been battered by one of the greatest migratory waves in history, that saw the United States for example import the equivalent of three New Jerseys in the 1990s alone (25 million people), maverick social-democratic and socialist leaders in the tradition of Victor Berger, or Jack London or Canada’s J. S. Woodsworth are staking out a claim for national, as opposed to international, solidarity.

The Democratic Socialist Senator of Vermont, Bernie Sanders, has begun to make some noise about the disaster that is the illegal immigration invasion in the United States. His voting record in reducing chain migration, fighting amnesty and unnecessary visas rates B-, B- and A+ respectively from Americans for Better Immigration. Former Social Democratic Chancellor Helmut Schmidt now admits that immigration under his administration was excessive and damaging to Germany. In a book published in 1982 he confessed that “with idealistic intentions, born out of our experiences with the Third Reich, we brought in far too many foreigners.” Dutch Socialist leader Jan Marijnissen is strongly opposed to the practice of importing East European workers to undermine the position of Dutch workers. East Europeans are hired as “independent contractors” to circumvent labour law. Marijnissen wrote “It is unacceptable that employers pay foreign workers 3 euros per hour and have them live in chicken coops as if they were in competition in the 19th century of Dickens. The unfair competition and displacement of Dutch workers and small business is intolerable. Therefore we shouldn’t open the borders further, but set limits instead.”

Former Labor Premier of New South Wales, Bob Carr, also argued for the acknowledgement of limits. Along with fellow Labor MP Barry Cohen he has joined Australia’s leading environmentalists Dr. Tim Flannery and Dr. Ian Lowe in exposing the myth of Australia as being a big empty land begging to filled up with people. “Our rivers, our soils, our vegetation, won’t allow that to happen without enormous cost to us and those who follow us.” He calls for severe immigration cut-backs and a population policy.

In 1970 I signed and supported the notorious "Waffle Manifesto" which urged that the NDP---Canada's social democratic party---return to its socialist roots with a commitment to reclaim our economy and culture from the American Empire and reject further integration into the global economy. Trotskyists and right wing commentators made common cause by accusing us of "nationalism", which to their minds conjured up sordid images of death camps and wars of aggression. Leading socialist economist and expatriate American Mel Watkins --a key force behind the Manifesto--- retorted with a famous response that became our rallying cry: "The road of Canadian nationalism does not lead to Auschwitz. It only leads away from Washington." Amen.

This is the text of an e-mail I received. - Sheila Newman Jan Beer to Stand as an Independent in the Electorate of Seymour in Novembers Victorian Election 10th October 2010 Plug the Pipe congratulates Spokeswoman Jan Beer for her decision to stand in the 2010 State Election in electorate of Seymour. Plug the Pipe will be distributing her Media Realeases throughout the campaign. Please read Jan's first Media release which is attached as a PDF file. (Note: I will publish the media release, but, at the moment, I am not able to copy and paste the text. - SN) Also read this weeks Sunday AGE Article :- Beer could spoil the party for Brumby in Seymour

Australia's 2.1% population growth rate, mainly fueled by immigration and their babies, by 2050 will cumulatively reach 50 million, not the 30 million being deliberately under-estimated by growthists. Do the Future Value calculation using compound interest.

Those that argue for or are defeatist about Australia having an over-run population have vested interests in the self-centred gains they will reap from a Rudd (congested) Australia.1

Government gets the short term economic growth results from the increased demand, but deliberately ignores the social impacts and the long term economic problems. Developers and the construction industry benefit from getting more sales and profit from land use development from more people demanding more housing. Banks benefit by selling more mortgages to more people. Miners and big business get cheap labour since importing skilled labour is a quick and money saving way to populate its workforce. Skilled immigration saves corporations millions by avoiding the training of its own workforce and local Australians. That skilled immigration means displacing local Australians is not a concern to such corporations. Immigrants benefit by gaining a better life in Australia than from where the came.

The consistent driver of all these growthists is self-interest, not the selfless betterment of Australia and Australians.

Beware of the inherent bias of organisations reporting statistics to suit their own ends. The euphemistically labelled Centre for Independent Studies (CIS), is a right wing lobby group set up and funded by big business (mining companies and banks) to further the growthist aims of big business.

CIS is about as independent as the Democratic Republic of Congo and the Peoples Democratic Republic of (North) Korea are democratic. It should be renamed 'Growth is Good'.

It is important to be mindful of the counter sustainabililty arguments being put by the growthists. Pro-growth, pro-immigration lobby group FECCA, is an acronym for Federation of Ethnic Communities’ Councils of Australia. In its June 2010 issue of FECCA's 'Australian Mosaic' magazine, FECCA rejects the following concerns:

FECCA rejects the claim 'Our cities are unable to sustain population increases'
FECCA argues: "A number of key academics refute this proposition, arguing
that our cities can sustain more people without increasing the strain on infrastructure and the environment. However, effective planning and urban consolidation and a focus on rural and regional development are certainly needed to enable this expansion."

FECCA rejects the claim: 'We will lose the ‘Australian way of life’ if immigration increases'
FECCA argues: "This argument can be dismissed by referring to Australia’s growth over the last 60 years – during which time we had a 300% increase in population from 7 million to 22 million. Very few would argue that our way of life is now poorer or less ‘Australian’ than it was in 1945."

FECCA rejects the claim: 'Our environment cannot sustain a growing population'
FECCA argues: "It is necessary to recognise that the world’s population
exists regardless of how many people are in Australia. What is most important is the environmental behaviour of all Australians. Taking steps to reduce our environmental footprint is the key to allowing for our necessary economic growth. As it happens, in many instances immigrants are better prepared to demonstrate good environmental behaviour, having past experience in saving resources in harsh environmental or economic climates."


Message: know thy enemy

Footnotes

1.[back] Editorial comment: In fact, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd was replaced some months ago by his deputy Julia Gillard. Whilst candobetter is far from uncritical of Prime Minister Julia Gillard, the fact that she acted against Kevin Rudd's appalling misrule that benefitted, most of all, Australia's wealthiest, and was subsequently re-elected as Prime Minister, in the face of hostility to her from the corporate sector and its newsmedia, is a rare triumph for democracy and accountability. Gillard explicitly rejected Rudd's "Big Australia" plans to boost Australia's population. For that she and her Government is now under intense pressure by Australia's business interests to reverse her stance.

Since the Australian Federal election in August it seems any talk in the public realm of population sanity in Australia has been drowned out by articles in the mainstream press e.g "The Australian", "The Age" and the "Sydney Morning Herald", embracing a large population, rubbishing a "sustainable population" and lecturing on how Australia's population will grow anyway no matter what the federal government does. Comment has been republished as an article here.

[Re comment 'Utilization of NZ Brushtail Possum fibre justifies culling' [Anonymous kiwi 23rd September 2010] Where are the NZ stats on cyanide use as a poison for possums? It is dangerous for humans to use as a poison and so dubious it is made available. "I personally would much rather see numbers controlled than letting the animal continue to destroy the environment for birds and other wildlife." Agree. "Culling the possum saves many species including the iconic kiwi." How so? How is the nocturnal tree-dwelling vegetarian possum a threat to the diurnal, ground-dwelling, worm eating kiwi bird? NZ DOC evidence shows that dogs, cats, stoats and ferrets (all introduced) are the main threats to Kiwi birds. "Introduced predators are the biggest threat. Stoats and cats kill 95 per cent of kiwi chicks before they are six months old. Adult kiwi are often killed by ferrets and dogs." So where is the NZ cultural hatred for dogs, stoats, ferret and cats in New Zealand, if the core NZ concern is indeed for the Kiwi bird? Is not the NZ cultural hatred of the possum reflective of a NZ cultural inferiority complex of anything Australian? The introduction of the Australian brushtail by colonial New Zealanders is an inherited burden for current New Zealanders to resolve. I have only suggested repatriation to introduce some lateral thinking to the problem. Possums are territorial so relocating them as adults will not work. The preferred solution would be complete but humane, DOC/RSPCA-supervised culling on a region by region basis. Any use of the possum for human gain perpetuates New Zealand's immoral and backward fur trade. Labelling possum slaughter an 'industry' is backward, like the Japanese slaughtering dolphins and whales, and indeed Australian's slaughtering rabbits for fur hats. Culling animal pest species needs to be science based and humane, not profit based and not using 1080 or traps. I care not for blood money jobs. Those in it should get a real job. The only narrow mindedness in this issue is the New Zealanders' cultural hate for possums yet contentment to pursue a backward fur trade and so perpetuate the cause of that hatred. For a NZ school to engage in 'possum throwing' just confirms this backwardness. The perpetuation of a Possum Fur Trade across New Zealand rural communities reflects a cultural insularity. The new US movie 'Winters Bone' set in hillbilly Missouri could have been made just as easily in New Zealand - it is about a backward culture of poorly educated insular and dysfunctional families locked in entrenched poverty and crime prone. No wonder so many New Zealanders have opted to emigrate to Australia. Tigerquoll Suggan Buggan Snowy River Region Victoria 3885 Australia

This YouTube Broadcast, "Immigration, World Poverty and Gumballs - Updated 2010" graphically illustrates my point that immigration, unless at a rate vastly higher than even its strongest proponents are prepared to publicly argue for, will do nothing for 99.9% of the Third World's impoverished. Although high immigration cannot hope to help the poor of these countries, it will almost certainly impoverish the poorest in countries like the Australia and the US and cause incalculable environmental harm.

As Roy Beck says, the only way we can hope to help all, or, indeed, even a substantial proportion of the world's poor is to help them where they live.

I can't cite the exact pages in which the events described by James are covered, but Isaac Deutscher's trilogy biography of Leon Trotsky (written in the 1950's) probably covers them involumes 1 and 2 ("The Prophet Armed" and "The Prophet Unarmed". (Volume 3 is "The Prophet Outcast." ) Although Deutscher was a Trotskyist, the content of these books allows us to see that Trotsky failed to take a firm, decisive stance at critical times in his career. Deutscher's narrative is even more revelatory of faults in other leaders of the Russian Revolution. Trotsky was one of the most respected political and military leaders of the October Revolution and, reading Deutcher, it seems likely that if Trotsky had simply followed his own, usually correct, critical analysis of the wrong courses taken by Lenin and (especially) Stalin, outcomes might have been so much better. The Russian Revolution could have been spared its subsequent monstrous perversion by Stalin and his followers and many 20th century nightmares could have been avoided. Deutscher's monumental works contained revelations for me when, as an enthusiastic Marxist, I read them about 20 years ago. The failure by the Marxist "Revolutionary" movement to pass on Deutcher's insights puts most supposed (anti-Stalinist) "Revolutionary Marxists" in a poor light and fuels a reasonable suspicion that they are corrupt. The supposedly pure and virtuous leaders of the early Soviet Bolshevik Party allowed nationalism to influence their decisions (both rightly and wrongly). This makes the cannonistic denunciations of 'nationalism' by 21th century "Marxists" look as ridiculous as they are.

Opposition to high immigration is equated by Eugene with 'nationalism', as if to label anything as 'nationalistic' automatically discredits it. This is often a tactic of the left.

From such logic, it would follow that were ordinary Australians to achieve the control over their standard of living and quality of life (which they now don't have) a terrible risk would arise. It is as if Eugene were suggesting that, in the longer term, there would be similar consequences to infamous variants of 'nationalism' when millions died, such as in German Nazism, Stalin's Russia, Pol Pot's Cambodia, the Rwandan genocide of the 1990's, and the First World War.

It would be interesting if Eugene could provide us with a single example of a credible government at any time in history that could not have been accused of being tainted with the supposedly evil trait of nationalism. Contrary to mainstream leftist mythology, which holds early communist examples as pure and genuine, even the early Bolshevik government from 1917 until 1923 implemented programs based on narrow nationalism on more than one occasion.

The first example was the Brest-Litovsk treaty of 1918 in which the Bolshevik Government ceded vast quantities of territory formerly controlled by Tsarist Russia to Germany. The territory included almost all of the Ukraine and the three Baltic States of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. Because the leaders of the Bolshevik Party of Russia and of the Tsar's former Asian colonies allowed the Germans to brutalise the people of these countries, the Germans signed a peace deal with the Bolsheviks, thus permitting them to go on ruling. The Germans were thus able to avoid fighting a war against their former Russian enemies in the East. This freed them to almost win their war in the West against Britain, the British Commonwealth, France and the United States in its military offensive in 1918.

A second example was when the Red Army entered Polish Territory in 1920. Then too, the Soviet Union appealed to Russian nationalism. It even sought, and obtained, the help of the Russian Orthodox Church. Politically this led to the counter-ignition of Polish nationalism and the military defeat of the invading Russian Red Army by the Polish Armies led by right-wing Marshall Pilsudski.

So, if the early Russian 'Communist' government could not be held to be untainted by nationalism, who could be?

At least nationalism is one means by which a community can assert its own rights, as long as the leaders of that nation are committed to the welfare of all members of that community and not just to a wealthy elite. Without nationalism, the rights of the poorest of the national community are sold out to wealthy foreigners as they were in Vichy France, Holland, and Norway after 1940 or in Japanese-occupied Korea. How much better have recent 'non-nationalist' Australian governments been, where they have allowed land and strategic assets to be sold off to powerful foreign investors? By the way, a new sell-out looms now in the contemplation of a Chinese [nationalistic] government built new power station in Victoria's Latrobe Valley. How different were the actions of those puppet regimes from past history?

After just 150 years of oil extraction, we have burned through roughly half of it. The world is consuming four barrels of oil for every one we find, more than 80 million barrels of oil every day. Optimists believe new technologies will arrive before we reach rock bottom. Major oil exporting nations are well past their supply peaks, with giant fields rapidly diminishing in size and new finds proving to be small and relatively insignificant. This desperation is why we had the Gulf of Mexico disaster! Reports from government and military agencies in the United States, Great Britain and Germany all point to shrinking oil supplies as a growing reality fraught with potentially drastic consequences —resource wars, price shocks, shortages of fuels and vital goods, and broad economic decline. Already there are reports of food shortages. The ice covering on the Himalayan and the Tibetan Plateau is also beginning to melt, and this could have long-term implications on global grain harvest too — as these also nurture the irrigation systems of agriculturally important countries in the region — China, India and Pakistan. Instead of building more highways, we must expand public transportation and make it more appealing, accessible and affordable. Investments by governments and the private sector must be designed to bring manufacturing and food production processes closer to our homes. Nations must become, ultimately, responsible for their own borders. Global oil production is likely to start its inevitable decline sometime in the next few years, perhaps by 2015 or earlier. Cities that prepare in advance for the future oil shortages will have tremendous advantages over those that keep believing that business will always be as usual. If fuel gets towards the CSIRO scenario of $8/litre by 2018, there will be a lot of changes needed in people's travel habits. Oil Vulnerability Planning should be commonplace, just as people assess their bushfire risks and have emergency plans in case there are major bushfires. Peak Oil is just one of the problems facing defence forces, but perhaps a critical one in that the globalisation of manufacturing and supply depends on it . http://www.aspo-australia.org.au/ Globalization is likely to emerge as a failed strategy.

A new wave of nationalism is the last thing we need. I've always considered that a bad word, somewhere between patriotism, and racism. To each their own I guess. You're certainly not alone in your views. In fact the vast majority of Australians would clang their stubbies together in raucous agreement.

Watershed Victoria believe in "relocalising water supply, with consumption reduction targets combined with reuse and recycle". They do not address the root cause - population growth. As will all the "shortages" we are experiencing in public services, our lack of water is a case of overshooting our ecological limits. The Thomson dam, if used properly, is only a fraction full. It was designed to drought-proof Melbourne, and should still be adequate. Logging in catchment areas still continues, and this inhibits flow. Who want to drink recycled water, or reduce consumption any further, below 155 litres per person per day? Water access is a basic human necessity and an indication of society's wellbeing! Watershed Victoria assume that our population growth is something that is inevitable? They should stop being "politically correct" and join in the demands for a sustainable Victoria!

Europeans "discovered" this continent, claiming the land as terra nullius — 'empty land' or 'land belonging to nobody'. This is a concept obviously alive and well in post-Colonial times! Our land on Australia's fertile coastlines is NOT a limitless resource, as governments, developers and the public seem to think. Releasing more land for housing is not a sustainable option. What is it to be "released" from? Our land, vegetation, river systems, biodiversity all depend on the web of life, and so do we. We can't just keep bulldozing habitats, trees and grasslands for more concrete structure, or over valuable farmland. We are heading for global foot shortages, and our limited fertile land should be preserved for food production. Land is not terra nullius but part of the planet's living surface. Either we stop our massive population growth rate, or accept the consequences of environmental destruction and third world living standards!

UPROAR AS LABOR MP RESIGNS OVER FREEWAY PLANS FOR BANYULE | MEDIA RELEASE Friends of Banyule & Protectors of Public Lands Vic. http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/freeway-dissenter-urges-referendum-20100825-13s6v.html Back in 2001 Labor MP Craig Langdon announced in publicity flyers for a community meeting at Ivanhoe that "Labor's policy is to not build any freeway through View Bank, Heidelberg and Bulleen."It was followed by then Transport Minister Peter Batchelor's statement to Parliament on 9 October 2001 that the Labor Government would never, ever "build a freeway through the Yarra Flats to link the Eastern Freeway with the northern metropolitan ring road." On 8 December 2008 Premier Brumby released the Victorian Transport Plan, revealing proposals for the North East Link project through Banyule. Then in June 2009 Mr Langdon arranged for road authority SEITA to inform residents on construction of the Mullum Mullum Tunnel, part of EastLink, apparently intending to reassure people that no harm would come from a freeway-in-a-tunnel through Banyule. Since then Mr Langdon has remained silent about Government plans for the Banyule freeway. That is until today. Community organisations have been taken by surprise at his sudden outburst and condemnation of Government plans for the North East Link.

Ross Spirou's photographs of fauna and flora on Banyule Flats are extraordinary, and show what a rich environment it is. We need an article about this place to feature his photos and link to the photo site (which, to repeat the information, is here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/raskimon/sets/72157624158495258/show/with/4620293248/ (Page is YouTube Video and requires Javascript. See also "Meeting to oppose proposed North East Link in Banyule" of 22 Sep 10 and friendsofbanyule.org) Is anyone able to forward us material or to write the articles, please? And who is building this freeway? Names of companies and ministers etc. please. Sheila Newman, population sociologist

> Eugene, at first, appears to agree with our rejection of 'growthism'. However, he ignores the fact that, if the countries, with higher birth rates, have somewhere to export their surplus population to, they will have even less incentive to limit their own birth rates. It would seem logical that as population density increases, birth rates should decline. However it just isn't the case. Indian cities are already drastically over-crowded, but this is doing nothing to slow the birth rate. Extremely high birth rates are generally a product of poor education, and social innequality, both of which are exacerbated by over-crowding. In 3rd world countries having a large family is not a lifestyle choice. It is often simply a matter of survival. In Australia when we retire, we know that ultimately the government will take care of us, even if we don't have a cent to our names. In India, if you don't have money, and you don't have children to support you in your old age, you either beg on the streets, or starve. I wonder how many people who criticise immigration policies have actually travelled to a 3rd world country? It's a very enlightening experience to spend some time as part of an ethnic minority. I am concerned about Australia's population increasing. I do not believe in a BIG Australia. However I also do not believe that shutting our borders is any kind of solution. What I think we should do is the following... 1. Scrap the baby bonus, and instead introduce tax penalties to discourage people from having more than 1 child. 2. Make it easier for Australians to adopt children from 3rd world countries. Adopted children should be exempt from the tax penalties. 3. Increase funding for support services, to help immigrants integrate effectively into Australian society. 4. Introduce a foreign exchange program as part of the core education curriculum for all secondary school students. If all Australians spent some time in a 3rd world country I think it would go a long way to stamping out racism, which unfortunately is all too prevelant in Australian society. 5. Increase foreign aid, primarily in the form of education services to 3rd world countries. This wont fix all the problems, since ultimately capitalism and global trade is at the root of all that's wrong in the world, but I think it would help. Eugene

Following the announcement by the State Government in December 2008 to build a freeway/tollway connecting from the Western Ring Road to the Eastern Freeway, Friends of Banyule was formed. They are a not-for-profit community organisation dedicated to the protection of the natural spaces in our community that are threatened by the proposed freeway/tunnel/viaduct. There is a public meeting Wednesday 6th October, The Centre, Ivanhoe at 7.15. The strategy pays little regard to the fact that outer urban residents suffer most from a lack of public transport, or to the need to address a decline in rail freight capability. Instead, this plan provides enthusiastic support for our government's wish list of new roads in outer Melbourne and elsewhere. The issue of population growth is very much related to the planned freeway here in Banyule. As Melbourne's population increases the Government continues to make land available in the outer suburbia without any functional infrastructure. River parks such as those of the Banyule Wetlands and within the Yarra Corridor are a vital area for wildlife, rare migratory birds and protected species of flora, with large areas currently under protection by Banyule Council. Recently a koala spotted near the ovals at Banyule Flats Reserve, in the fenced off area of Banyule Wetlands - sitting in a tree, happily eating Eucalyptus leaves. The noise and pollution and disruption would be devastating on the sensitive environment and wildlife that habit the area. See some photographs taken at Banyule Flats Sign the Petition against the Freeway through Banyule

Thanks, Vivienne. You have stolen much of my thunder. Eugene, at first, appears to agree with our rejection of 'growthism'. However, he ignores the fact that, if the countries, with higher birth rates, have somewhere to export their surplus population to, they will have even less incentive to limit their own birth rates. High immigration rates deny many rights of citizens of countries that have achieved population stability. The obvious example is Australia's scandalous housing poverty. No-one in Australia on a normal income can any longer afford to buy or rent a free standing home, even though this was possible little more than a generation ago. During the 2009 Queensland state elections, I learned just how miserable housing conditions were for some of our citizens when I met a woman on social welfare who actually had to share, not just a room, but a bed with a (female) stranger with whom she was not even intimate! Of course, this is a more extreme example of housing poverty. Where available housing is vastly less than what is needed, then some have no choice but to rely on such substandard arrangements for shelter. Many others, even those with professional occupations and correspondingly relatively high incomes, suffer housing poverty, although not quite as extreme. In inner city Brisbane, I have observed a neighbours' qualities of life going down year afer year as landlords, able to take advantage of rising demand, hiked the rents regularly. Two years ago, one neighbour ceased taking his overseas holiday during the Christmas break, because his disposable income had been so reduced by regularly increased rent. The inhabitants of the second of the double flat in which he lived, formerly a husband and wife with a child, have only recently broken up and moved out. In part this was caused by rent rises. Who could have imagined, when I was growing up in the prosperous Australia of the 1960's and 1970's that after decades more of economic 'growth' and 'reform' that some residents' quality of life could have been so reduced? These circumstances have been brought about by property speculators and landlords who have leaned on our Governments to, amongst other measures, increase immigration. Immigration has been increased for no better reason than to increase the market value of the commodity that they have monopolised. No actual real wealth has been created, although the massively increased paper value of the properties are often cited by economists as 'evidence' of economic achievement, Rather, resources have been consumed by the enormous amount of resources plowed unproductively into the property 'industry' and the costs borne by the existing community to allow more immigrants (more roads, dams, power stations, water desalination, etc.) to live here. On top of this, wealth has been unfairly transferred out of the pockets of the poorest in the community through higher housing prices and higher rents to some of the wealthiest. All members of the Australian community cannot, on average, be other than poorer. The already poorest can only have been made far poorer still. That the growth lobby gains, in circumstances where wealth is destroyed and impoverishment increases, is stark evidence that our economy is very unhealthy and dysfunctional. The fact that defenders of high immigration are silent on the impoverishment of their fellow citizens during recent decades can be no accident. To me it confirms that their claim to want social justice and a fairer world is a sham. Either they are consciously acting to serve the interests of those who gain so much at our expense from high immigration or they are the dupes of those who do. Furthermore, unless, they wish to see a rate of immigration, many orders of magnitude greater than even the most rabid "open borders" proponent is prepared to publicly argue for, only a small proportion of the poverty-stricken in the Third World can possibly hope to have their lot improved by immigration. Ecouraging skilled workers to leave the Third World for higher pay in the industrialised countries can only further impoverish those left behind. An accountable Government, acting in the interests of its citizens would immediately act to end this. It would begin by limiting immigration in accord with the wishes of the vast majority of inhabitants and it would introduce disincentives to land speculation and landlordism in favour of people owning the houses in which they lived. Furthermore, it would expand publicly owned housing to help meet the needs of the poorest for shelter.

Global economic integration and growth, far from bringing a halt to population growth, will mean that the consequences of overpopulation in the third world are generalized to the globe as a whole. There is a recent tendency of the environmental movement to court "political correctness" by soft-pedaling issues of population, migration, and globalization. Human overpopulation is the central issue that affects every other problem humanity faces. IF we are to survive this century, shouldn't we curb the rabid growth of the one species that consumes so much? Keeping our borders open gives peoples of the world migration options, and aid, and thus negates the urgency to curb their numbers. We in Australia can stabilize our numbers by reducing immigration to about 50,000 a year. However, we are told that "more is better" - a bigger "herd" is safer and more prosperous. We need to be wary of the illusions of the human herding instinct, and economies based on limitless growth. A Ponzi demography is essentially a pyramid scheme that attempts to make more money for some by adding on more and more people through population growth. Population growth - through natural increase and immigration - means more people leading to increased demands for goods and services, more material consumption, more borrowing, more on credit and of course more profits. If each nation were responsible for their borders, their carrying capacity, their own birth rates and their own economies, there would be no delusions about the real size of their territories, and they are more likely to live sustainably - knowing that their resources are limited and local. Our immigration should centre only on humanitarian cases, not economic immigration, and foreign aid should go hand in hand with family planning, women's and child health services and facilities for the education of women to stabilise populations. On the contrary, we need a new wave of nationalism. Immigration doesn't "solve" overpopulation pressures but simply shuffles the problem around the world and buys more time- until we hit the wall!

Trying to reduce or stabilise our population by reducing immigration does nothing to help the global problem of over-population. I heartily agree that we need to abandon the absurd principal of constant growth, however this should not be done at the expense of compassion and humanitarian obligations. What is really required is to lower the global birth rate. To do something serious about overpopulation we should aim towards an average fertility rate of 1 child per couple, and not just in the 3rd world.

> Under Brumby, immigrants have more rights than locally born Australians! Are you suggesting perhaps that immigrants should have less rights, simply because of where they were born? Did you do something particularly worthwhile in a past life, in order to have earned the right to be born in this country? It’s just luck of the draw Mr Marlowe. You could just as easily have been born in a slum in Mumbai. Also what exactly are Australia's Celtic virtues? I have primarily Celtic ancestry, however I don’t believe there is anything particularly virtuous about this. Vivienne, please be aware of what kind of message these posts present. There are far too many people like Mr Marlowe in this country, and unfortunately articles like yours give them validation that they don’t deserve. If you are truly concerned about over-population, and climate change, then you should realise these are global problems. Simply shutting our borders to these people achieves nothing.

Australia's kangaroo export industry says Arnold Schwarzenegger has come to its rescue in his role as Californian Governor. After a vote in the Californian Senate, Mr Schwarzenegger has signed into law an exemption allowing kangaroo products to be imported for the next five years. The exemption has come as a relief to kangaroo exporters from Australia. In 2007, the industry was granted a three-year exemption from Californian legislation which bans importation of exotic animal parts. That arrangement had been due to expire at the end of this year. Ray Borda runs Macro Meats, Skins and Leather, based in Adelaide, and says the exemption is great news for those in the industry who have faced tough times in recent years, mainly due to prolonged drought and the global financial crisis. If you can understand like an Adidas or Puma or Diadora or any of those or even just fashion shoes or ladies handbags, motorcycle apparel, golf gloves, if a manufacturer is restricted to where they can go in the US, they generally will lose a little bit of interest, he explained. [They] can use this unique leather now and we're pretty upbeat about that. That was a pretty much an injection that we needed. He said the benefits would also extend to marketing products in Europe. Executive officer of the Kangaroo Industry Association of Australia, John Kelly, said it took a big lobbying effort to be granted a five-year extension. It's a very significant reason for some of the grey hairs popping out up above my ears, he laughed. The Californian legal system is complex and has a significant number of problems, one of which is that California has an enormous budget deficit, so getting them to look at any sort of legislative issue in California apart from the budget has been extremely difficult. It involves ... a lot of informing their politicians of the real issues behind the kangaroo industry, how it operates and how sustainable it is, the extensive level of government control, how many kangaroos there are and all of the positive environmental benefits which harvesting kangaroos delivers to this land. Mr Kelly said sporting boots were a big seller in California. The most important aspect of the market for us is in fact soccer boots, he said. California is probably the largest single market for soccer boots and many of the best soccer boots are made from kangaroo leather, so it was very important to retain that market. Mr Kelly conceded the trade battle would have to be fought again. A few years down the track we're going to have to have a look at it again and try to get them to bring in a new piece of legislation with no sunset clause to give us permanent, ongoing, forever access to the place, he said. Read the article ABC You can view the full announcement by following this link: Live Export Shame Regards, The Live Export Shame Forum Team. Contact Arnold Schwarzenegger

Dear fellow Residents, I, and all the residents in our building at 260 Little Collins Street are having constant problems with noise from a variety of sources. The MCC seem to care very little, and do not monitor their contractors, street performers or special events in the area. Last night a Fringe performance began at midnight and went to 3 a.m. with no regard for residents on the other side of the street or local laws. The police were called but did nothing because they had 'a permit' from MCC to be there at that time and were allowed to perform at whatever noise level they themselves or the police deemed as acceptable. No-one seemed to understand or care about noise and nuisance to residents. Regardless of whether the MCC has granted a permit or not, local law needs to be observed, and beyond that, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. This type of event in a known residential area contravenes the Universal Declaration of Human Rights with regard to articles 24 and 25 and our own basic human rights to: "a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family"article 25 and our right to "rest and leisure", article 24. The granting of a permit by the MCC also contravenes the World Health Organization 2009 Guidelines which were developed to protect people's health from night noise pollution. Neither the police or the MCC are protecting residents from noise, in fact, they are encouraging it , as a very unsophisticated way of 'making Melbourne more international'. What a joke. They don't understand that those other international cities have measures in place to ensure the human rights of the residents are protected and are of primary concern. As Melbourne grows and develops this issue will continue to become more and more destructive, and will become a major health concern for all CBD residents. I'm drawing a line in the sand now. I am starting a class action against the MCC for failure to enforce its Municipal Council Obligations according to the The Charter of Human Rights, and invite all affected by night noise to join me. Candobetter Editor's comment: Please write, with "no rights for residents anywhere" as the subject, to [email protected] or via the "contact" link just under the "Navigate" heading on the upper left of the candobetter site and we will pass your message on to Isabella, who authored the above comment.

That so many hundreds of thousands, in cities such as Melbourne, live so far away from their workplaces and necessary amenities that it is necessary to spend hours in order to travel up top may many tens of kilometres each day in each direction on freeways, yet to be built at such horrific environmental and social cost as the freeway yet to be built over Westerfield, is surely testimony to the abysmal town planning record of the Victorian state Government and most Victorian councils. If they had done their job properly it should be possible for all but a few inhabitants of Melbourne to get to work and all essential amenities each day by, at most, a drive of a few kilometres or a short ride by public transport. Most should be able to make the necessary journey by walking or cycling. Rather than continue with the destruction of our environment and with making us more dependent upon non-renewable fossil fuels, we should demand of our Governments that they begin, even if decades belatedly, the task of planning our cities to be livable. A cost effective start would be for Government agencies to set up registers in each large urban region of people who have to travel long distance to and from work each day. Where it can be found that any two workers have to travel long distances to work near where the other lives, then, if the occupations require similar skill sets and have roughly equivalent work conditions, then, if both are interested, they could both see if they could negotiate conditions, acceptable to both, to swap jobs so that both work much closer to home and thereby avoid time-consuming ordeal of commuting. If the Commonwealth Employment Service (CES) had not been abolished by the Howard Government, this could easily have been achieved by extending its charter. It would be much harder to accomplish this with the ad-hoc network of private employment agencies with which the Howard Government replaced the CES. This is only one example of how governments could, so much more cost-effectively and equitably than private agencies, make our quality of life better if only the unproven dogma that has been undemocratically foisted upon us since the late 1970's that only the "Free Market", and not accountable, democratically elected governments, can efficiently meet people's needs, were ditched. Of course cramming ever more people into our already dysfunctional cities with high population growth, driven mostly by immigration, will only make any already bad situation far worse, Any government, which ditches "Free Market" dogma in order to better meet the needs of its people, would also quickly end the high immigration program that has been imposed upon us in recent decades.

The Age, 2 Oct "CLAIMS that I promised or ordered works to be stopped on the Peninsula Link at the Westerfield site until a ruling was made on a VCAT submission (Letters, 30/9) are false. Work commenced in this area with all the necessary heritage and environmental approvals and permits in place following extensive planning, which included significant community input. The land was available for construction on June 1 but work was held off to further minimise environmental impacts and retain more bushland. We have reduced the construction footprint by about a quarter and resolved heritage matters following a legal appeal against the works earlier this year. The VCAT submission is being firmly contested. Any delay to the project would be to the detriment of the many thousands of people in Frankston and along the Peninsula expecting this freeway to open in early 2013. I have met with a number of concerned local people about this issue and we will continue to work with the community to deliver ongoing benefits for the region". Tim Pallas, Minister for Roads and Ports, Melbourne ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So he admitted that VCAT would not stop "work" on the Link! Don't let significant biodiversity habitats or heritage values get in the way of progress! "Significant community input"? I wonder if the protesters, and the owners, were consulted? Very magnanimous of him that the delay is "detrimental" to "many thousands of people in Frankston and along the Peninsula"! Is he assuming that the public don't care for their history, heritage, their green wedges or flora and fauna? Fortunately for our government their plans were in place while Peter Garrett was in charge of Environment and administering the EBPC act!

VicForests has announced a net profit of almost $3.6 million for the last financial year. Chief executive David Pollard said the positive result was achieved through the "sustainable harvest of less than 0.1 per cent of Victoria’s native forests". They also profited from Black Saturday fires by sourcing 929,000 cubic metres of timber from trees killed by the fires. The timber industry will be able to convert this wood into products worth $194 million. Wildlife would have benefited from these logs and hollows. Nobody believes their statistics. They add to their figures areas that are not suitable for "harvest" anyway. Their vandalism of East Gippsland's old growth forests, hundreds of years old, and illegal ignorance of endangered species in the process, is their legacy. VicForest is an illustration of our Brumby government's disregard for natural heritage, environmental or community values, and their willingness to trade-off of long-term environmental integrity for the short-term benefits of $$$ dollars. VicForests $3.6 mill in the black

Thank you Vivienne. Good idea! This may be a good way to get the message across. I urge others to write to the police and say if they are worried about how the police may be enforcing undemocratic and unreasonable laws. Sheila Newman, population sociologist

I posted the following to the Background Briefing site: Not yet having had the benefit of having listened to the program, this program seems likely to further undermine what has been the central dogma which has decided most Government policy since at least the 1980's, that is that the Free Market left to its own, without any guidance from elected government, is capable of reliably deciding the most efficient use of resources. If this were so, the Free Market would not have caused railway systems in Australia and the rest of the world to have been scrapped in favour of road transport.

My query is about Westerfield, the historic property with habitat of state significance that was bulldozed yesterday in front of protesters to make way for the Peninsula Link, Frankston. I was not there, but I have heard reports of it, via emails and from the media. I am a wildlife advocate. I am concerned about the legality of the Victoria Police acting in such a heavy handed manner against mainly older people, gentle environmental protesters. Who has the ultimate right to engage the Police? If the Police are meant to enforce the law and protect our democratic rights, then they are being violated by our Brumby government. This property is heritage listed and was a remnant rich biodiversity patch of land that should be protected, legally. The pond had just been filled and frogs were there, and birds were nesting. All this will be destroyed for a freeway that will have limited value in a few years due to peak oil. According to the EPBC Act, this piece of land should be protected. Also, it was not 100% clear who actually owned the land. I heard it was compulsorily acquired from the owners who didn't want to see it go. I heard they haven't even been paid yet! (they were protesting too). The VCAT hearing on this land was still in process, but our Brumby government ordered the bulldozers to go ahead anyway! Who ultimately has the power to use Police resources? What if the State government is acting unlawfully, as it seems to be the case here, surely the Victoria Police have some independence to assess the situation. The Police should primarily be upholding the law and protecting the interests of the community, democratic and legal processes, surely. The supreme court recently found that VicForests were logging Brown Mountain illegally. Our governments should not be above the law, and be accountable. Does our Police force have any independence to assess in such cases whether they are being used, called upon, legally or not? Thanks Website for Victoria Police "delivering a safer Victoria"?

Along the same lines as I have written before, if we the people can't hold our political representatives to account when they trample on our wishes to serve greedy, selfish vested interests as they have done at Westerfield, then we are no longer a democracy in practice. Someone must offer voters a real alternative to Brumby's misrule at the Victorian state elections to be held in November. Otherwise this Government will be almost completely let off the hook for this outrage and will be free in coming years to commit further such crimes against Victorians and their natural environment. Who better to stand against them for true justice and democracy than any of the heroes of Westerfield who featured in this magnificent article, for example Carey Priest, who remained heroically by himself in the trees for 2 hours, to name only one? The only way we can hope to protect our way of life in the long term is to remove from office those who are so obviously not serving the people's interests. We may not be able to achieve that this year, but when, if not now, is a better time to start?

The EPBC Act enables the Australian Government to join with the states and territories in providing a truly national scheme of environment and heritage protection and biodiversity conservation. The EPBC Act focuses Australian Government interests on the protection of matters of national environmental significance, with the states and territories having responsibility for matters of state and local significance. The objectives of the EPBC Act are to: * provide for the protection of the environment, especially matters of national environmental significance * conserve Australian biodiversity * provide a streamlined national environmental assessment and approvals process * enhance the protection and management of important natural and cultural places * promote ecologically sustainable development through the conservation and ecologically sustainable use of natural resources Surely this property did have ticks in all the above boxes? The VCAT conclusion could easily have decided that this bulldozing was illegal? Is that why our government acted with such haste, before their conclusion? The ownership of the property was still not clear, and the property was still not transferred 100%, and had money passed over? Another question? Who has the final authority over the police? Our tax-pay money is supporting the Victoria Police on our behalf, to protect us from having our rights violated and to uphold the law. The Victoria Police should have some independence over what they enforce, and the correctness of their orders?

This story (here, here and here) is particularly poignant because of its personal nature and its human scale. I have walked around the area now ruined when it was intact. I know the dam, I know the trees , the birds and the frogs. I imagine the little fantails described have now died and their chicks are buried in the debris. If this were a unique event it might be bearable but it is happening in different places in different ways every day all over Australia. A few years ago I was on a week's holiday in SE Queensland. While I was there within 5 days the small pond , treed island and a pair of nesting water birds which the house looked out on was bull dozed for a development. There is no reprieve or holiday from this destruction. The terrible loss highlighted in this article is of course the loss of our rights, of our democracy. All those who stood up to the Abigroup and the police on Thursday are heroes. The man who climbed the tree and stayed for 2 hours deserve a medal. (Editor's emphasis)

According to a Melbourne estate agent, foreign investors from China have bought properties in Melbourne and they are stockpiling them and keeping them empty until prices increase, then plan to sell them. What sort of government would allow foreign investors into our property market and deliberately increase the prices, against the interest of the citizens of Australia? (Editor's emphasis) Not only housing property, but farms and land are going to the highest bidder to - overseas! Negative gearing and stamp duty contributes to higher prices too, but the elephant in the room is our socially engineered population growth on finite suitable land. Both major parties spruik the misanthropic idea of limitless population growth, and the public are forced to endure the multiple costs. There is no love for Australia and as soon as globalisation ends, and it will with peak oil taking hold, the better for the planet, and Australia. We can be a sovereignty again.

Our government cares nothing for environmental values, conservation or sustainability. Their intention to build the freeway by trashing of a significant remnant flora and fauna area is typical of their disregard for the law and decency. Their heavy handed tactics of the use of 100 mounted police against gentle activists, many of them older people, is a disgrace. The silence of the media means they are also compliant with the destruction. The freeway is about making the Peninsula area more accessible for property developers and they can continue with their Melbourne@5 million agenda! Our Brumby government is guilty of undemocratic actions and lawless vandalism.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMUiwTubYu0 I miss Bill very much. If you think I should be silenced well good luck. I don't even matter - look to your local bankster or politician for salvation. (Editorial comment: 'Slavation' changed to 'salvation', although the former seems more accurate.) If you are still that stupid. Revolution is our only hope. *replay - via r2d2* All of you footy fan idiots who think the MSN is looking out for you - wake up. I expect this to be censored. I used to have some form of hope of finding like minded souls who would fight for change, is this the place?

So, this so-called 'Red Book' comes from Treasury - from a bunch of economists and bankers with no more idea of what matters than Scrooge McDuck. These types have replaced the priesthood with their medieval stranglehold on government policy. We need to separate the State from the Economic Church. Sheila Newman, population sociologist

Sorry if I upset you. I have hope that industrial civilsation will fall apart fast enough to save some semblance of the biosphere I guess. I point to the continued deforestaion, cites decision on tuna, ongoing whaling, exploding populations world wide, increasing use of coal, yadda yadda yadda. Where is the optimism I should be feeling going to come from? I used to try and be a messenger of hope, spreading the word, thats how you end up being shunned by all of the people(99.999%) who are more interested in getting an ipad than discussing world issues. This is one of many blogs I follow - check his academic record before you brush him off lightly: http://guymcpherson.com/2010/09/balloon-seeks-pin/ By taking the extreme argument to it's limits I hope to scare the crap out of people and at least get them to think about things other than their blind consumption of the status quo. My dystopian views were coalesced when I read "The Road", the film was hard to watch also. I see I have had the best possible result too: http://candobetter.org/node/2203#comment-5500 Someone is actually discussing the point I was making.

Warning: get ready to pay for carbon.

The ''red book'', which landed on Wayne Swan's desk the morning after the election, also warns the $43 billion national broadband network carries ''significant financial risks'', that the strong economy could fuel inflation and the rapidly rising population projections both parties disavowed during the election campaign were largely unavoidable.

During the campaign both parties emphasised the need for a ''sustainable'' population, but Treasury says strong population growth will continue for at least the next 15 years.

'Net immigration figures well in excess of that low number are probably inescapable,'' Treasury says, adding that strong population growth ''is not necessarily unsustainable … it need not adversely affect the environment, the liveability of cities, infrastructure and service delivery'', so long as governments planned well.

Do they really care if it is "sustainable" or not? Our planet is shrinking, and yet we are growing! We each inevitably get a smaller piece of the shrinking "pie" with more population.

So we can have our cake and miraculously eat it too!

Read the article: Warning: get ready to pay for carbon in the Sydney Morning Herald of 25 Sep 10 by Lenore Taylor and Jacob Saulwick.

If you look at how much money they're costing us each year (adt security systems pics) taken from my surveillance camera, although they were never caught and charged (kind of a waste of money getting that security system installed, but I’ll save that for another day…). Now I’m not saying that all Mexicans are burglars and thieves… hell, if I was in their situation stuck in a racist country like ours, I would be doing the same thing.

New members of Treasury are given a Red Book, and it declares that our population growth is "inevitable"! It is inherently part of our Federal governments agenda, not open to democratic processes. Over 2000 new people are arriving in Victoria each week, and most of them choose to live in Melbourne. (The Age). This population explosion is disturbing and has nothing to do with democratic process or sustainability. World scientists are warning us of future crises and "peaks" that could impact on our planet, and our future. While other nations are suffering from overpopulation, our leaders in Australia think we can keep adding more people to create a bigger economy, a "big Australia"! Julia Gillard dismissed it, and didn't want Australia hurtling down the road to 36 million plus by 2050! However, she is under tremendous pressure from those with power over government decisions, and who hold the strings! (eg banks, big businesses, land developers. growth lobby). So much money can be made from constant growth, it is grab what we can and ignore the looming threats - while the going is good!

As I said above, this has to be made an issue at the Victorian State elections that are to be held in November. If community grass roots mass movements can't use the elections to hold to account political representatives who are supposedly working in our best interest and who are supposedly accountable to us, then how can we legally hope to end this wanton destruction of our little remaining bushland? Not one of the politicians would stand any chance of defending their destructive actions, if faced with articulate defenders of the bush in a public forum. These should be part of most elections in Australia. In effect any candidate can force other candidates to attend public forums during an election campaign because to refuse to debate reflects badly on a candidate. Unless opponents of this vandalism stand as candidates, this opportunity will be lost.

Odd how you wouldn't consider drowning your grand-daughter, who contributes to human overpopulation and is a carrier of that nasty compassion disease.

All political parties agree that trains do it better, but who will make it happen? Meanwhile, thousands of trucks are about to churn up the roads trying to get a huge wheat harvest to city ports, and two million tourists choke Byron Bay with cars. The rest of the world - even France - is joining its regional areas with high speed trains, and it works. Reporter Ian Townsend.

To be broadcast: on Background Briefing Sunday 3 October, following the 9:00AM news. To be repeated: Tuesday 6 October following the 7:00PM ABC news.

Our Brumby government cares nothing for democracy, consultation, heritage values, community values, our wildlife, our environment, green wedges or the opinions of the public. They are all smoke and mirrors and only care about property developers and making access easier so we can have a bigger Melbourne - Melbourne@5 million! This is what the Peninsula Link is about, access to the Peninsula for more of Melbourne's toxic urban sprawl! Population growth is Victoria's main industry now, and the most destructive one ever.

"If these iniquitous and extreme measures had not been adopted and more democratic and fair means had been used, the economic problems faced by these societies could have been far more easily addressed." James Sinnamon Easily addressed as they were in Nicarauga, when "the people" were "empowered" to have babies like rabbits under Daniel "Casanova" Ortega and his Sandinistas, making that country the fastest growing population in all of Latin and Central America? The "extreme economic deprivation" that we will soon face will not be the result of any "neo-liberal agenda", but by resource shortages, which will not be cured by any left-wing Keynesian prime pumping or public works spending. This response implies that an emergency is not already upon us, that is something that needs to be manufactured by some sinsiter right-wing cabal. It implies that we have loads of time to "stabilize" the population and reduce it gradually over the course of what, nine or then more decades? God, even the US Department of Defence is not that naive. Peak Oil is NOW. In just two years perhaps, the shit will hit the fan, and suddenly, a massive paradigm shift will occur. Left wing delusions will fall tumbling down. Governments, dependent upon the revenues of the oil economy, will become more and more enfeebled. It will become apparent that the more people there are, the lower their per capita slice of non-renewable resources will be. Quantitative easing and New Dealism would will not conjure those resources up. We will need to shrink the economy ASAP, and this must involve demographic shrinkage as well. The problem is, each day that we fail to do this makes the range of effective solutions narrow to more and more draconian measures. Emergency measures. Measures which even democrats in government have resorted to (eg. Lincoln's suspension of habeous corpus, Churchill's coalition government's undemocratic detentions, Trudeau's imposition of the War Measures Act in 1970 which received 90% of public support). Overpopulation is an emergency, and emergencies are the enemy of democracy, not the people who advocate emergency measures to cope with overpopulation. That was the point that Asimov made, the one Steve Kurtz attempted to remind us of, the one that my critics have not acknowledged. Notice that even veteran population campaigner Jack Alpert has moved off his advocacy of the OCPF policy universally applied by "mutual coercion mutually agreed upon". It is too late for that now, tougher medicine is called for. And Peter Goodchild agrees but goes further. Birth control is no longer enough. They are catching up to the late Jacques Costeau, who declared in November of 1991 that for the human race to survive, 350,000 people have to die everyday. The economic "Shock" that Chile received under Disaster Capitalism was not unlike the shock that the Soviet Union received after 70 years of "Disaster Socialism". Had the Soviet bloc not been ruled by people who think "the people" could have a free lunch, "the economic problems faced by these societies could have been far more easily addressed." Oh yes I know. Whenever you remind leftists of the disasterous socialist experiment, you are told that well, "that wasn't socialism". No, that was "state capitalism". But they will not allow free-marketeers the same privilege of disowning corporate or debt-capitalism, or the crony capitalism which the Philippines exemplied under Marcos. The world is still waiting for the kind of socialism and democracy that Trotskyists talk about. We have been waiting for 90 years. The fact that it hasn't materialized yet should tell us something about the nature of their 'optimism'. Waiting for their utopia, or the utopia where the human species can democratically reject a two hundred thousand years or more of genetic and cultural programming to breed ourselves silly, is like waiting for Godot. We will be extinct before that guy arrives. And believe me, I would only be delighted to be proven wrong. If we are to survive, we need radical austerity measures. Fossil fuels must be conserved, gas rationed, and the social welfare state stripped to essentials---including corporate welfare. Every surplus penny that we can afford must be shifted to renewables, and if we succeed, it will still only supply 20% of our current energy needs. Do you think "the people" are ready for these sacrifices? In Canada "the people" won't even support a carbon tax, and the introduction of a comprehensive sales tax has almost sparked a revolution in British Columbia. What will they do when the price of food skyrockets with skyrocketing oil prices? We know what the Green Left are doing. They are arguing for more social spending in a bidding war with Centre-right. In Canada, the Naomi Kleins have an endless shopping list of social services for us to spend our dollars on. Smaller class room sizes, more daycare spaces, more money for the arts, more multicultural grants to ethnic lobbies, more birth incentives, reimembursement for women who want intro-vitro fertilization, for which the 'progressive' province of Quebec will pay $7,000 a pop), ....the list goes on. These people don't get it. When affordable oil runs out, we will be lucky to have the social safety net of Chad---no matter who is in power. The problem is, we are in a lifeboat engineered to safely transport 15 people but we are carrying 50. And when people like me suggest that we won't survive the coming storm with this overload, we are told that our weather forecast is too pessimistic. We are also told that 26 passengers, if they are democratically empowered, will vote to jettison 35 people, including 11 of themselves. Or alternatively, that our voyage to safety will be long enough that we will not have to jettison anyone, that is, if the weather cooperates as an optimist should assume. We can wait until 45 passengers die of old age, which under Obamacare, can be extended. And BTW, under just and progressive management, there will be enough rations to go around for all. This is the Trot 'solution'. Don't believe me? Just read the stuff that Naomi's brother Seth pumps out at the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives in Vancouver. Great ideas there---customized for the 1960s. Unfounded hope is not a sustainable form of optimism. And realism is not pessimism. Tim Murray

James Sinnamon speaks of Pol Pot's actions--or the actions of his regime--- as "monstrous".Why do we call someone a monster? Is it that his actions were monstrous, or that his intentions were monstrous, or that the consequences of his actions were monstrous? Social justice advocates, human rights campaigners and clerics only focus on the first two considerations. I focus on the last. By that token, was Pol Pot more monstrous than Bob Geldoff or any of the Popes, or indeed, of Mother Theresa?. Pol Pot killed 2 million people, but Bob Geldoff through his efforts has put 6 millon people at death's door. And we don't have to talk about how much damage the Catholic Church has caused. I don't particularly care if Bob Geldoff, the Pope or the late Mother Theresa are or were "good" people. I care about the net effect of their actions. I am not qualified to measure the "good" in people, but I can attempt to measure the consequences of their policies. By some accounts, Eichmann was a "good" man, good, that is, to his family and to his neighbours. He may even have "good" intentions in his determination to a competent job of murdering Jews. Who knows, he may have sincerely believed that Jewish people were the source of all evil. All I know is that he did a huge amount of unnecessary damage to so many millions of people for no good effect. Which constitutes the greater crime, a genocide of 6 billion people which would nonetheless leave a billion to carry on to perpetuate our race or the extinction of our race, including all of its billions, from the refusal to implement RPD because the only method of doing so was found to be 'inhumane', or in violation of democratic, or Christian, or Buddhist or socialist etc. principles? James does not address this, nor doe he acknowledge my main thrust, that the means for RPD have not yet been agreed upon, and that in choosing them, we must find the LEAST IHUMANE of EFFECTIVE options. How many times must I repeat that? I don't think that Pol Pot was interested in minimizing his inhumane actions. I am. And I am not agreeable to any undemocratic or gratuitously harmful action unless it can be demonstrated that the same necessary result cannot be achieved through democratic or impeccably humane actions. But so far the jury is out. And we are rapidly running out of time. Meanwhile, first things first. Is RPD necessary?

James has read my article, but not taken it in. In fact, he has made the classic mistake that the article attempted to correct. He has not first agreed that RPD is necessary. Instead he has in effect said "RPD is necessary if..." That "if' converts "necessary" into "desirable". It would be desirable to effect RPD if it was done democratically. Other people supply other qualifiers like "if it is faithful to the principles of the Bible (or the Koran or the teachings of the Delai Lama or the party line of the Socialist Weekly etc etc). In effect, James is telling me what JFK and many other people were telling me during the Cuban missile crisis. That "democracy" was more important than life itself, that it was acceptable to risk the extinction of our species for the sake of an ideology ("Better Dead than Red"). And Kruschev countered him with the same brinkmanship, only his conception of democracy was different. That struck me as nonsense as a 12 year old and it sounds like nonsense to me now. James also seems to be saying that RPD is not necessary now. First we need to put democratic levers in place across the world. When would that be, 2110? Read through this blog, read Heinberg, Kunstler, Ruppert and a dozen like them. Read the last report on the state of the world's oceans. Do we really have that kind of time? I call that unwarranted optimism. James is still at base camp, and from there is he attempts to leap frog over the first three stages to stage four, whether the argument about means to achieve RPD should take place. He claims that my argument may be misinterpreted by some as saying that I would condone genocide if necessary. There is no room for misinterpretation. Read the article. If RPD is necessary, then it is necessary. I would think that any means necessary to accomplish that is preferable to extinction, but that is not a recommendation for genocide. The question then, is which means are effective, and among those options, which of them is the least inhumane. To come to that stage, one must pass through several mental decompression chambers. James is still in the one called "Social justice and democracy ". He needs to transist to the one called "There is no democracy on a dead planet". And when he follows the steps I prescribed, and reaches Stage Four of the process, he should ask himself another question. If dictatorship got us into this mess, does it necessarily follow that democracy--as he would define it---will get us out? And when? So far, only one nation has implemented a One Child Per Family Law, and by doing so, has prevented the arrival of 400 million more consumers. But it was not done democratically, and it involved the violation of some human rights, except the most important one. Our right to survive. As civilized beings were are mentally parked in what I would term "The Ethics of Abundance". But if we are to survive Peak Oil, we need to adopt "The Ethics of Scarcity". Lifeboat ethics. Triage Ethics. As Hardin implied, we need a moral revolution. We can pretend that there is enough to go around if we democratically implement a 'just' distribution of the rations, or we can acknowledge that there isn't. If there isn't, then we must make the kind of hard decisions that socialists, democrats and clerics will not make. My belief is that the philosophical groundwork must first be prepared before we can take the pragmatic approach. We must rid our own movement of the last vestiges of deontological reasoning and embrace a bold consequentialist perspective. James I believe, is not ready for that crossroads, as I wasn't for so many decades. I hope events will not our run our ethical adaptation to them. BTW, I agree with the fourth comment. People lacking substance need to be identified. Who then is "Search for Truth", and why should anyone respond to him? I am from the old school. Unsigned letters go straight into the waist paper basket unread.

Couldn't agree more that the best (nuclear) post-apocalypse films are done by the British. I would add the film "When the Wind Blows" from 1986 to the top of the list though. It is one of the saddest films I have ever seen.

The introduction to this article seems not to have acknowledged my principle point. The point is that either human communities can overcome, in a fashion which respects the rights of all their current members, the catastrophe that threatens all of them or they can't. Any 'solution' which demands the rapid decline in the current global human population implies that the former is not possible and that some brutal imposition of the 'solution' by a dictatorial government is unavoidable. This would be a variant of "The Shock Doctrine" as described in Naomi Klein's book of the same name, where, in many countries since 1973, beginning with Chile, ruling elites convinced the majority that total economic ruin could only be avoided if only they would accept economic 'medicine' prescribed by economic neo-Liberals of the Milton Friedman school of economics. This propaganda and dictatorial rule resulted in extreme economic deprivation which, contrary to the claims of the neo-Liberals, did nothing for the health of those country's economies. It only served to disempower ordinary people and to transfer the wealth of ordinary people to the elite minority. If these iniquitous and extreme measures had not been adopted and more democratic and fair means had been used, the economic problems faced by these societies could have been far more easily addressed. I think that promoting views that humankind's situation is hopeless and can only be solved by rapid population decline, rather than stabilising our population in the shorter term and achieving population decline in the longer term by humanitarian means, only serves to make it more likely that "Shock Doctrine" like solutions imposed by the very people who are now doing their utmost to undemocratically cause human population growth.

The meaning of the ominous government sign pictured in this article about the Peninsular link project being part of "the plan" was more fully explicated yesterday when 100 police overpowered the protesters at the site which was then razed. There is no answer to the sheer physical force of 100 fully equipped police, some on horses and with whom no discourse was possible. It seems to me that an integral part of "the plan" is to crush any dissidents to despair and ultimately to disengagement. I was not at Westerfield yesterday but my comments here are based on a detailed first hand account of the day.

The world has gone into ecological overdraft. As of August 21, we’ve exceeded our natural ‘budget’ for the year. In other words, we’ve consumed 12 months worth of natural resources in under nine months. So how do we turn this around? It wasn’t always like this. Our planet used to be able to comfortably cope with the demands we all made on it. But for the last 30 years or so, the rate at which people have been using up the Earth’s ‘ecological services’ has been exceeding the rate that nature can provide them. Ecological Overshoot Day Last year, Earth Overshoot Day was observed on September 25, 2009. This year, overshoot day is estimated to come more than a month earlier in the year. Ironically, it was on the day of our Federal Election! In 1960, the ecological footprint of humankind required only 0.7 planet Earths. In 1980, it required only 1.0 planet Earth. In 2000, it required 1.2 Earths and continues to rise. If global warming and acidification of the world’s oceans place the biospheric life support system in disequilibrium, the planet’s carrying capacity will be dramatically reduced. This situation would not be good for either posterity or us. It is interesting that all of the major players -- scientists, economists, human rights workers and religious leaders, among others -- have no clear opinion on the ideal size of the human family. We are amazingly united in a pact of silence. Overpopulation, combined with overconsumption, is the elephant in the room, says Paul Ehrlich, 42 years after he wrote his controversial book, "The Population Bomb". We don't talk about overpopulation because of real fears from the past—of racism, eugenics, colonialism, forced sterilization, forced family planning, plus the fears from some of contraception, abortion, and sex. We don't really talk about overconsumption because of ignorance about the economics of overpopulation and the true ecological limits of Earth. The wall of silence is evident in politics, the media and the human herding instinct obscures the size of our "human family".

That is quite interesting if white house can have their own garden at washington itself? are you kidding me? Well if that's the plan then they can really do it. Do We think that Obama spends more time in his farm. Well I guess not. Instead they can order organic food and have these organic delivered to white house and is addressed by the president. regards Editorial comment: This comment is, in part, an advertisement for a product which may possibly be of interest to some site visitors.

Hello. Nice article. Thanks for posting. Editorial comment: Thank you for the kind compliment. However, to many, it may possibly seem unlikely that someone, whose home website's "About Us" page states that site's main contributor had a stint with the "JPMorganChase Bank in India" would see the Spanish Anarchist collectives of the late 1930's as a positive historical development.

Subject was: Response to Editor’s Comment Response to ED. Comment (September 27th, 2010) I very much doubt there is any useful purpose at all in the pessimistic doom merchants pedalling the woe is me, we'll all be ruined, wolf crying worst case scenarios. It would be entirely different if these extremist views had at least some credibility and were backed by science, credible research or similar. THE COLD HARD FACT is that these doom pedalling soothsayers imply holding a monopoly on functional crystal balls but have nothing to offer beyond pessimistic SPECULATION. All too often such meaningless comments appear (on this site and elsewhere) being confrontational and controversial they grab people’s attention, MOMENTARILY, but people switch off when they realise there is no substance in the drivel they are reading. To my mind this kind of representation does far more damage to the task of educating and getting more people involved in a sustainable future (which I see as our only hope). To my mind the few loose cannons merely tarnish the reputations (in the eyes of the masses) of other credible campaigners by association (guilt by association being one of mankind’s more fallible failings) for this reason these people lacking substance need to be identified and culled if they can’t be pulled into line.Editorial comment: Whilst we greatly appreciate your well articulated rejection of groundless pessimism, we can't allow language that may be hurtful to people who, although we may think they may be mistaken, have given us no compelling reason to question their motives. So the above sentence has been altered, accordingly. In recent months I have been criticised on this site, had comments censored and been vilified for my efforts to encourage people to clean up their act.Editorial comment: On a few occasions we have not approved posts, which, in our view, unlike this post, do not add to the discussion. If the commentator can send me a copy of anything, which has been censored, we can have another look at it. Also, we strongly discourage the vilification of any contributor by any other contributor. Please show me where you believe have been vilified so that I can pursue this further. Such is life.

I found a new saying recently - from a blog of the same name: Nature Bats Last. I have stopped trying to tell friends and family about all this stuff. I'll just try and enjoy myself before someone decides I look tasty enough to eat. I feelsorry for the critters though. It was a nice planet. Editorial comment: This web-site has been set up in the hope that it can help make the difference that will prevent environmental calamity and, consequently, human calamity. Whilst it does not seem possible to know for certain whether humanity can be saved on the one hand or is doomed to be wiped out on the other, we don't know what useful purpose is served by spreading the most pessimistic message possible.

Thanks, Vivienne O.

If, as you have pointed out, the Australian Human Rights Commission states:

Adequate housing is essential for human survival with dignity. Without a right to housing many other basic rights will be compromised including the right to family life and privacy, the right to freedom of movement, the right to assembly and association, the right to health and the right to development.

... then the private property market, as it is practised in Australia today, completely contravenes that principle and our local, state and Federal Governments are also acting in contravention of that principle by proactively supporting that private property market.

Voters have every right to expect of their Governments to, instead, do all they can in their legislative power to limit and eventually remove the scourge of land speculation from our economy. As land speculation is completely economically unproductive and serves only to transfer wealth from one section of society to another, at a huge cost to the economy in the resources that land speculation (and the necessary artificial population growth) consumes, our economy could only gain.

Money 'invested' in gaining control of the land that we all need for decent quality of life, could then, instead, be invested in truly productive and socially useful enterprises. Perhaps the monetary return on these investments would not be as great as is possible with land speculation, but, at least it would be a return based on the creation of real wealth rather than increasing the extraction of wealth from the most disenfranchised in our community into the pockets of land speculators and their hangers-on.

I classify the possum tossing exercise as a form of child abuse not to mention the obvious abuse of possums. I say that because it is a killing spree culminating in total lack of respect for the bodies of the possums. This is a disgusting example for children to follow and is inculcating sadism and devaluation of life. Of course Australia too has dysfunctional school children - the ones who recently tortured and killed a defenceless kangaroo whilst on a school weekend excursion. At least this was behind their teachers' backs, not condoned by them and disciplinary measures will be taken. With regard to the creature who hurt the quokka, I hope he goes to gaol for a long time as a way of protecting other animals and the rest of us. "Baby on board"- is indeed not an endangered species. In fact it's a potential menace.

Here is another cruelty case against a native animal..by some Morons on Rottnest Island ... As long as this government keeps handing out baby bonuses, to the imbeciles in our society this problem will go on ... and I cant believe the cancer of Baby on Board car signs has reached Australia ... I don't give a shit if you have a baby on board.. ... It's not like you are an endangered species ... It makes my blood boil ... Police are investigating an attack on a quokka on Rottnest Island yesterday. Acting Sgt Matt Oakley said police had been alerted by a member of the public to a quokka found badly injured in bushes about 12:20am. He said the quokka had a bloodied head and appeared to have been kicked or hit by a human. Police interviewed a 20-year-old man who was found nearby with what appeared to be blood on his shoe. Acting Sgt Oakley said police would wait on forensic analysis of the blood before deciding whether to charge the man. The quokka was being looked after by rangers and a veterinarian was headed to the island to treat the animal. "It's just a terrible thing to happen to a quokka, which is just a defenceless little animal," he said. The man and two of his friends, aged 19 and 20, were evicted from the island about 4am. Police are also investigating the vandalism of a police vehicle, which was found daubed with graffiti and smeared with human excrement.

According to the Australian Human Rights Commission a person who is homeless may be facing violations of the right to an adequate standard of living, the right to education, the right to liberty and security of the person, the right to privacy, the right to social security, the right to freedom from discrimination, the right to vote and many more. Every person has the right to an adequate standard of living, which includes the right to adequate housing (ICESCR, article 11). The right to housing is more than simply a right to shelter. It is a right to have somewhere to live that is adequate. "Adequate" includes availability of services, materials, facilities and infrastructure, affordability and accessibility. The Commission considers that any response to homelessness in Australia must adopt a human rights-based approach if it is to be effective. Forcing families to face homelessness due to unaffordable prices, or forcing them to suffer mortgage stress, and forcing them to live in far-flung isolated and sterile outer urban sprawl areas is such a violation of their rights. Public housing demands have increased. In August, more than 41,000 Victorians desperate for a home as public housing waiting lists simply grow larger. The state's public housing waiting list grew by 3.1 per cent in the three months to June to 41,017, up by more than 1200 people. Read more: 41,000 waiting for public housing in Victoria More than 1,000 vulnerable families joined John Brumby’s public housing waiting list in the March 2010 quarter, taking it to almost 40,000 families. More families are "falling between the cracks" as the cracks get wider! Clearly the Brumby government cares little for families. Humanitarian and non-government services are forced to cope with increasing demands for their services. The surge in the number of international students has also added to rental demands, and decreased standards. Our third-world rate of population growth displaces citizens in preference for foreign investors and new settlers. Throwing public money is simply a band-aid "fix" and actually allows our government, by default, to force people into "social housing" and higher density living, and implement their Melbourne@5 million agenda of "sustainable growth".

If the right to secure affordable housing was a human right, then Brumby would not be able to get away with measures which, which we can only assume, to the extent that they were intended to address this terrible problem and not make it worse, were a token and inadequate. If the right to secure affordable housing was a human right then Brumby would not be able to treat the housing poor and homeless so poorly.

It seems to that, in recent decades, phoney dissident intellectuals have become as much a prop as the corporate newsmedia for the dictatorial imposition of the will of the ruling elites upon the rest of us. Phoney environmentalists are only one of a number of kinds of fashionable intellectuals who pose as an opposition to the misrule by the elites. As I see it, phoney dissidents serve the ruling elites, they would have us believe they were opposed to, in a number of ways:
  1. Upholding Big Lies used to justify decisions of the ruling elites. The two biggest, which, to many, may seem unrelated, are:
    1. That population growth is necessary for our prosperity or even to prevent economic collapse;
    2. That the United States was attacked on 11 September 2001 by Islamist extremists based in Afghanistan even though not one person with a proven link to 9/11 has been captured after almost 9 years of military occupation of Afghanistan by the United States.
  2. Making theoretical understanding of the state of the world more difficult for ordinary people with their supposed critiques of society which are nonsensical, confusing and long-winded.
  3. Gaining control of the important grass roots movements opposed to the goals of the ruling elites and using that control to ensure that they are not effective. Two examples which come to mind are the supposed campaign against the Queensland Government's $16 Billion fire sale and the supposed anti-war movement which refuses to challenge the principle justification for Australia's participation in the war in Afghanistan.
If we can rid grass roots political movements of the influence of these phoney dissidents, including the phoney environmentalists to which Tim has refered, then we stand a much better chance of winning.

Mr Brumby has promised $42 million to help the homeless in Victoria. His government's decisions created the problem in the first place by boosting our population growth to third world rates. This in turn has "improved" housing prices by increasing demand, and now public money must be spent on trying to help the homelessness. How can families afford housing? The cost of even "affordable" housing is out of reach to many families, and families are increasingly being made homeless. They are the silent victims of growth and poor policies. Brumby's legacy is one of lack of transparency, democracy, rising costs and decreased liveability in Victoria. All the "shortages" of land, housing, infrastructure, water, transport, and higher energy costs, are due to population growth for the benefit of property investors, developers and political sponsors.

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I favour optional preferential voting over the standard preferential voting system, where voters have to number every square. However I wouldn't devote a great deal of resources towards lobbying for it. Those resources would probably be better spent campaigning for votes in the existing preferential system used by most Australian voters. Whilst I think that optional preferential voting is a fairer system, in practice it can lead to results that are less reflective of peoples' wills than full preferential voting. This is because many voters are uninformed or even misinformed about the preferential system. When candidates recommend to voters in their "How to vote" cards that they don't allocate preferences beyond the first preference as the Greens have often done in Queensland state elections where the optional preferential voting system is used, they are effectively recommending that they vote "first past the post". If that candidate does not win, then the votes for that candidate, with no second or subsequent preferences can't be used to decide amongst the remaining candidates as happens with full preferential voting. Whilst people should not be made to give preferences, for example to a Nazi Party candidate, usually voters will have a preference amongst candidates not given their first preferences. The election outcome, where more preferences are allocated by voters, can be more truly representative of the voters' wishes than where voters have allocated less preferences as, for example those who would followed many of the Greens' "How to vote" cards in Queensland state elections would have. Whilst it could be considered more commendable for the Greens not to have directed their voters' second and subsequent preferences, to not have advised them on their "How to vote" cards that they could have if they had wished to was a disservice.

More than ever, voters are in the invidious position of deciding who to put last on their ballot papers in order to choose the lesser of 2 evils to assume government . This time in the Victorian election I know the temptation for many, particularly those who are tuned into the environment and planning issues which are monopolizing people's energy and lives is to avoid this uncomfortable dilemma by voting informally. Would optional preferential voting give a result which better reflected the people's wishes than compulsory full preferential voting ? Is it worth lobbying for?

Irate students may not go home, lawyer David Bitel warns in the Australian's story Irate students may not go home, lawyer David Bitel warns of 24 September: TENS of thousands of foreign students may try to stay in Australia illegally now that stricter rules have dashed their hopes of permanent residency. "In two to three years' time, what the government will find is there will be tens of thousands of illegals out there," said Sydney immigration lawyer David Bitel. "People are not just going to go (home). They had an expectation (of permanent residence). They're furious. They came here, they paid thousands of dollars." Foreign students are the defacto "boat people". The majority who come here confess that residency in Australia is part of their intention of studying here. Refugees arriving by boat are a smoke screen to confuse the immigration issue. Most people arrive by plane, including refugees, economic migrants and students. With climate change and overpopulation and poverty embracing the planet, we can't afford complacency. We need to protect our borders so that communities learn to live within their "carrying capacity". This is more likely to happen if immigration is not an option! In the post war years, Australian universities would sponsor students from developing countries so that they could help economic development from where they came. This was the Colombo Plan. Now Australia is so impoverished that we can't afford to educate our own youth so that we need to lure students here, with the "carrot" of residency, so their fees support our universities and colleges? Students should not be able to morph into residents. We should fund our educational facilities adequately, and they should not be defacto immigration back-doors to Australia! The 1951 UNHCR refugee convention, created to deal with the displacement of people in World War II, should be revised or abandoned. It has become a way of entering our country in search of economic opportunities and to escape population pressures in their own countries. This is what we don't want here, but Julia Gillard is now under pressure from Treasury to abandon her dismissal of a "big Australia"! The department has told the Prime Minister rapid population growth is both "inevitable" and a key part of Australia's adjustment to the resources boom. (See, also,ALP urged to embrace growth of 25 September by David Uren in The Australian.) Despite the fact that surveys say that at least 80% of Australians don't want more people, we have no say! Even our elected leaders are being overwhelmed by the pro-growth powers invested into government.

There is an apt quote from Isaac Asimov on this from a PBS interview he had with Bill Moyers: ...democracy cannot survive overpopulation. Human dignity cannot survive it. Convenience and decency cannot survive it. As you put more and more people onto the world, the value of life not only declines, but it disappears. It doesn't matter if someone dies." Isaac Asimov (Freedman, 2005) see: members.optusnet.com.au/exponentialist/Asimov.htm If disincentives are combined with rewards; and women's empowerment, education, and provision of birth control devices are combined, fewer will suffer in the future. If humanity focusses on 'rights' (which are invented by us- get $US 1 million from James Randi Fdn if you can disprove that!) and doesn't use Hardin's definition of democracy: "mutual coercion, mutually agreed upon", then more will suffer in the future.

My Irish maternal grandparents were afflicted with unstoppable fertility disease, prevalent there in the early 20th Century. They slept apart, to try to limit the number of offspring - it was partially successful. Of their nine children two died from tuberculosis (nature's culling) leaving seven. They managed to educate their third child (my mother) to university level. She worked for many years to educate the others, only marrying her longstanding boyfriend at 36yrs. The rhythm method (unknown to her mother) allied to delayed marriage, allowed her and her siblings to have small families (2-3 children) and create secure foundations for their offspring. They would have preferred to have the choice to marry younger and use contraception to time their children, but other people's religious scruples blocked this option. All Western countries have enjoyed some variant in this transition over the last 100 years, but religious zealotry has blinded many otherwise good people to the unfairness of abandoning the poor in places like Pakistan to the agony of unstoppable fertility disease. Now: I will only give donations to a charity which automatically disseminates family planning support (full choice of methods) prominently as well as food and medicines aid. No ifs, no buts.

Tim writes that he would favour dictatorial means if that proved to be the only means by which human population stability could be achieved. I think Tim has overlooked the fact that, in the first place, it is the undemocratic (even if formally democratic) rule in favour of the greedy global elites which has made our societies so dysfunctional that human overpopulation is inevitable. Removing even the pretence of democracy can only make the achievement of sustainability and population stability harder. If our ruling elites did not even have to pretend to be democratic, then uncontrolled human population growth (and its subsequent inevitable catastrophic reduction) can only be more, rather than less, likely. The best hope of achieving a humane, sustainable and numerically stable global society is for us to wrestle back control of our societies from the undemocratic rule of our greedy elites. I think a call for rapid population decline, in conjunction with openly favouring dictatorial means, if necessary, to achieve it, could easily be misinterpreted as favouring the forms of population reduction achieved by such monstrous regimes as Hitler's Third Reich, Pol Pot's Cambodia and those who carried out the Rwandan genocide. The most likely way to achieve, in the long term, human population reduction to sustainable levels is firstly to achieve, in all parts of he globe, humane, accountable and democratic societies. Only then will it be possible to humanely reduce human population. Whilst a dictatorship may reduce human population (or at least the population of types deemed undesirable by the dictators), it is unlikely to achieve long term stability. Any form of dictatorship must be strenuously opposed by population stability campaigners.

Of course I heartily agree with your assessment Bandicoot. Reducing per capita consumption by half while doubling the number of consumers is a fool's errand. But I think we should be even less charitable about smart growth, consevation, recycling , or tech fixes than we are. Rather than be seen simply as "buying time" for the growth-economy, they can actually be seen as growth-enablers. They promote growth. By moving over and squeezing tighter we give corporations what they want----more consumers, and by temporarily blunting ecological impacts and making development tidy, neat and aesthetically pleasing, we allow more room for growth. Think about it. Does recycling and garbage reduction really benefit the environment by reducing the growth of rubbish in the landfills? Or does it in fact, by doing so, permit the same pattern of consumption that we are addicted to? Planners and politicians can jam even more people into the metro area because disposing waste is not yet a critical problem Would not the wiser strategy be to stress the landfills? To waste water? To increase our footprint to the breaking point, to the point where governments will have stop importing more and more people and handing out birth incentives? Would it not be a better strategy to to use land more inefficiently? Would it not be better to force the system to hit the wall sooner? And would not the mass adoption of more vegetarian diets free up more land to feed more people-breeders who will grow the population to the point of using up that freed-up land? In other words, is not vegetarianism one of those "efficiency paradoxes", which by making things more efficient and less costly actually provoke more consumption? Sounds counter-intuitive, doesn't it? But think of what the Russians did in 1941 to slow down the advancing German army. They burned their crops, slaughtered their livestock, and destroyed their out buildings. They increased waste. Don't get me wrong. I conserve, recycle, burn only 11 litres of gas per week, and shop infrequently. All those good things. This might make me feel good, but should it? Am I not buying time for an economy that is killing 100 species a day and allowing humanity to add 214,000 more people each day? All these green living habits, the 'smart' land use planning, and meatless eating would make sense AFTER a steady state economy is in place. But before then it seems to me that it is just giving the system more rope. The system will crash and then scarcity will be our fate rather than our choice. We will not need any moralizing or rationing to reduce our consumption. No more lectures from Monbiot about our greed. The only question is when, not if, and whether we should give the system a push toward the cliff and hasten its demise, or by being "responsible", prolong its life and allow it to rack up more damage. "If we had the population we did in the 18th century, we could use any energy source we wanted to." James Lovelock

Greens and environmentalists tell people that population growth is something not in their jurisdiction, that immigration (or child benefits) policy is a federal matter... Exactly the same sort of denial is heard here in Australia. Despite immigration being responsible for about two thirds of our growth -and considering their contribution to "natural" births as well, it would be even higher - our leaders accept it an inevitable, something beyond their control, something we just have to accept! Then we hear the other population myth, that we consume too much! People have been intimidated into being being regarded as racist or xenophobic if they raised concerns about immigration levels, or for sustainable population policy. According to population denier Fred Pearce, overpopulation in the developing countries is not the problem. Instead the increasing overconsumption among the planets 7% richest people and countries is to be blamed. He is not alone in claiming this. George Monbiot, Europe’s leading green commentator, also agrees with this viewpoint. Pearce gives the example: Americans gobble up more than 120 kilograms of meat a year per person, compared to just 6 kilos in India, for instance. True, eating meat is a luxury that should be rationed out, and so should the use of private cars, but with population blowout, it will only buy time! Over time every one will want to consume more. People don't want to stay living at austere levels. World population would not be a problem if there were unlimited land, unlimited water, unlimited resources. Unfortunately, with overpopulation, there is the problem of sharing the same sized pie with smaller and smaller portions. The costs of economic growth go largely unnoticed. Pollution is rising, ecosystems are degraded, and many of the poor shut out from the gains of economic growth. Some thirty years ago the concept of "smart" growth represented cutting edge thinking among community planners. By concentrating growth in already developed areas and slowing human expansion into natural areas, smart growth can help minimize additional ecological impacts as some growth continues. However, ongoing population growth will eventually fill up designated areas. Our cities are not only spreading, but becoming increasingly higher. "Smart" growth too only "buys time".

I believe that Tigerquolls’s statement that “Kiwi prejudice is found no stronger than in the rampant hatred for Australian possums” is particularly relevant given the appalling accounts given in the media today of NZ school children throwing possums in a fund raising event. I would hope that the school principal’s defence of this disgusting event is not indicative of the general New Zealand attitude towards this introduced species. On that note it is worth mentioning that New Zealand was responsible for the introduction of the brushtail possum. Several websites including those that peddle possum products clearly state that the possum was introduced into NZ to establish a fur industry. Initially in the early day’s possum's where protected to allow their numbers to increase for the fur trade. There where 36 batches of possums imported and released into New Zealand mostly by the Acclimatisation Societies between 1858 until about 1921 when the New Zealand Government prohibited further releases. That sounds like an organised group effort to me. This research was just a few clicks by the way. Interesting that on the same site they mention: Many anti-fur people will argue that by allowing a fur trade to exist, you are by default making sure that the possum will never be eradicated in New Zealand. Isn’t it entirely appropriate that the 1000 or so possums killed on this fun filled day for the kids were then taken to a local fur trader to raise money for the school. Once again the fur industry wins! But the school wins as well! And in the words of the principal: Beyond the fund-raising that took place the real positives of this event were that children got to engage with the outdoors, learned that guns are tools and not toys and gained a greater understanding of what it means to be humane in the destruction of pests Yee-hah!

The media aren't shy of presenting the issues above you mentioned, Scott. They are all about the "West" showing intolerance and "racism" to immigrants and ethnic groups, but not the contrary. Open Doors and other organisations cover what is happening to the persecuted, not the mainstream media. Crimes to Australians in India have largely been ignored as to not "offend" Indians. C.A.T Crimes Against Tourists INDIA Open Doors Western nations are being accused of "racism" and intolerance if they object to ongoing immigration. All the racism accusations are targeted towards Western nations where the reverse is ignored.

Bill Clinton has announced that he is "experimenting" with a vegan diet. He wants to avoid cholesterol and break up the calcium in his body. Clinton decided to adopt the diet in the early part of May. While he does occasionally eat fish, the former president otherwise follows a strict vegan diet. He has read many books on the topic, including the China Study. This is wonderful news for those who are concerned for animals that are increasingly being manipulated and confined and bred for speed to keep up for the demands for meat and dairy.

Subject was: 1080 (poison) is rarely used Firstly 1080 is rarely used in the eradication of the possums in NZ, after speaking with a few trappers they advised that cyanide, the most humane culling method is used to restrict numbers. (That research was just a few simple phone calls by the way). I personally would much rather see numbers controlled than letting the animal continue to destroy the environment for birds and other wildlife. Culling the possum saves many species including the iconic kiwi. The Possum in NZ cannot be reintroduced into Australia because over many years they have changed to adapt to the NZ environment. I would be interested to hear any solution you have to catching the millions that are out there and moving them back to Australia, I am guessing so would DOC NZ. The NZ government has made a decision on this, the possum is going to be culled no matter what you say as number are increasing. So why criticise the people in the industry, they are in fact just utilising the many attributes of the Brushtail Possum fibre for products, would you rather that all those jobs were lost and the industry just culled the possum and left them on the forest bed. That makes no sense. Your statement "Kiwi prejudice is found no stronger than in the rampant hatred for Australian possums. I think it must be a cultural inferiority complex, but Kiwis introduced them, so start acting mature and deal with the problem." Do do you know for a fact that a NZer introduced them? Did you research this and what was your source? This statement further displays that this article is just an opinion that has very little truth, the research is weak and your understanding of the problem is limited to your narrow minded view.

Population growth is not the fundamental environmental problem, but our greed and over-consumption, said Canon Sandy Grant, Dean of Wollongong, at General Synod this week. This was said in an interview by Roland Ashby reported in "Over consumption, not over population, threatening planet's survival" in The Melbourne Anglican, Canon Grant said that while he accepted the overall tenor of the motion that "population growth was unsustainable" it was not the fundamental issue, arguing that the biblical injunction to be fruitful and fill the earth should be considered as part of theological reflection on the matter! Sounds like a contradiction, and like religious pontification actually. He asks people to "turn from human selfishness and greed." Surely it is greed that is adding to our woes by stealing from future generations. Consumption increases with increasing populations and is consuming the planet. He should explain just what part of consumption we should reduce. Dr Rachel McFadyen of Brisbane said that: "If the Australian population goes on increasing then the amount of food we can export will decrease.... good fertile land will be covered by roads and housing". Fortunately, other church leaders showed more enlightened and realistic attitudes. Being "fruitful and multiplying" is what the human race has been doing too successfully and for too long. Growth can't go on forever, not on a finite planet. Even Noah not just saved his own family but pairs of animals for the Ark! There must be parallels for today.

It appears to me that the media (including the Australian media) love a story that will potentially incite hatred particularly amongst religous groups. The recent example of Florida pastor Terry Jones is a good example of this. Here you have a guy with a congregation of only 50 people making international headlines over his anti-muslim views. President Obama was forced to intervene in an attempt to prevent a "burn the koran" day. The media just lapped it up! If people want to read it or see it on TV then its a good story, I wouldn't be relying on the Australian media to filter out what is morally irresponsible when it comes to reporting news.

Asians rule in Queensland property buy-ups Asian investors have overtaken Britain in buying up Queensland properties. This includes commercial, agricultural and residential properties. Yesterday's report shows investment coming from new sources in Asia such as South Korea, China and Singapore. British companies are still continuing to buy rural agricultural land! How is this travesty allowed to happen? Australia belongs to Australian, not the highest foreign bidder! Due to lack of leadership in Australia, we are being sold out - the land and resources under our feet. Do we have a collective inferiority complex, that we need to be globalised, or is our trade deficit so low we can't afford to say NO! We are facing global food and water scarcity, and this could be an opportunity for Australia to increase markets. Instead, we are being sold off by our government. We're seeing increasingly dire warnings about food shortages around the world. This will be worsened by the fact that farmers in the developed world needing to produce more and better quality food. There is no way that world food production can be lifted without chemical fertilisers. Australians are being betrayed and long term considerations are being ignored.

I think there is a confusion regarding what is "Christian" in this comment. One meaning is The Church, ie the Catholic Church and its institutional power, authority and properties such as buildings, art works, territories and organisations, and the other is "Chrisitanity" as a personal faith in God, and his revelation through Jesus Christ. The nations suffering from persecution, especially in the Middle East, China, North Korea, Indonesia, Morocco, Bangladesh etc have virtually banned religion, or religion other than their own theocracies, and the issue is not one of the institutionalised Church. These people have chosen their faith, at risk to themselves. Religion and political power should be separate, and then the churches are free to support the faithful. The Church has been guilty of atrocities in order to justify colonialism and repression. Missionaries have been guilty too of imposing their law and order in colonial takeovers. However, there has always been the remnant faithful throughout history. The media in Australia heavily filter the "news" and a lot of religious persecution goes unreported - not to incite "racism"?

The outrage that almost all our news media, including "our" ABC has ignored is that Andrew Fraser has never been given a mandate by the rightful owners of Queensland's coal freight railway lines, that is the Queensland public, to sell them. Opinion polls have shown that 70% of the Queensland public, at the very least, have consistently opposed this sale, yet Fraser and the Queensland Government are determined to proceed with the sale. How can it considered other than theft to sell an asset against the clear wishes of its rightful owners? If the newsmedia, including "our" ABC and most of its journalists, refuse to remind the public or the politicians and business leaders they interview of this indisputable fact, then how can they be considered other than willing accomplices to this crime?

Thanks, Alice. Upon closer reading, I could see that this comment was intended to be tongue-in-cheek. This may be less clear to people from outside Australia who may not know that there is no "Alice Springs Parliament" and no plans to pipe water from Darwin to Alice Springs

Protesters from an unknown aboriginal society, wearing bizarre nose-pieces and claws, and acting blind, invaded Alice Springs Parliament today and took Jack Evans, a leading white elder, hostage. Jack Evans was the speaker for the opposition. A shaken Alice Springs parliamentary secretary later revealed that a note written on Jake Evans's underpants in yellow ochre had been found in the male toilets, with a demand that the multi-million dollar pipeline project to bring water from Darwin to Alice must be stopped. The note said that any digging between Darwin and Alice Springs would bring the wrath of the marsupial mole down upon industrial society and the seas would flow into the interior of Australia and drown all those who failed to recognise and respect the Great Marsupial Mole. Police are taking the matter very seriously. It is believed that the kidnappers have gone underground For years, locals had not taken seriously tales of a vast underground society of aboriginals, said to live for hundreds of years on a diet of the roots of desert plants and catching blind white fish that live in the Great Artesian Basin. Now Alice Springs citizens are demanding that the local government make formal contact and appease these ancient desert denizens before it is too late.

Scott, This is a wonderful article. If only it were true that Australians were sufficiently on the ball to go to battle like this for Gouldian finches and Mitchell Hopping Mice. Then we could all breath a huge sigh of relief and go out and enjoy the rest of our lives. These little birds are so perfect that it make sense to protect them with our lives. I remember looking at a newly dead rainbow lorrikeet recently and not being able to take in that it was dead, so remarkable were its irridescent colours and the detail of its eyes and feathers. Those who don't know nature don't have any idea of how the real wealth is going, going gone. Someone famous whose name I have forgotten, said that Australia is a land of birds, which, like the kangaroo, can quickly move in search of water in our difficult climates. A land of wonderful birds. A wonderful land, too little appreciated by its recent human influx. I loved this article. Bravo! Sheila Newman, population sociologist home page Articles Copyright to the author. Please contact sheila [AT] candobetter org or the editor if you wish to make substantial reproduction or repu

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