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Several things need to be remembered when considering the now certain destruction of Westernport Bay.

1/ This proposal has bi-partisan support following the ALP's production of the Port of Hastings Land Use and Transport Strategy (PHLUTS) in 2004/5. The only difference being the ALP's plan to stage the development over 20+ years when they thought the Port of Melbourne would be at capacity.

2/ Mr Rob Gell regarded by many as an "environmentalist", was chair of the Mornington Peninsula and Westernport Biosphere (MPWB) during the release of PHLUTS and indeed advised on the proposal's "sustainability". Westernport Bay is the centre of a Biospher Reserve centred on Westernport. His complete silence on this proposal runs contrary to UNESCO's Biosphere primary goal of educating society on the environmental assets of it's reserves, rather than allowing the perception of Westernport as "mud, mangroves and mosquitoes" to continue. The general public have no idea of the value of this Biosphere Reserve. Gell's stewardship over the reserve was a complete failure and highlights the danger of the "cosy" relationship between NGO's and government/private sector.

3/ Gell's silence hid the fact that Westernport will lose 4 kilometers of mangrove ecosystem along it's shore. Westernport is the most southerly appearance of this type of mangroves in the world. Mangrove have a higher biodiversity value than tropical rain forest, would anyone consider bulldozing a similar size area of rainforest nowadays ?

4/ Q/ - What happens when mangroves, (which absorb sea level rise), are replaced with a 4 kilometer concrete wharf in an area already earmarked for climate change tidal inundation? A/ - The flooding gets worse in the rest of the Bay.

5/ There must now be questions raised about the ability of the Westernport of the future to remain a site listed under the RAMSAR convention for wetlands. Sulphur dioxide particles from shipping emissions (already responsible for 60,000 human deaths annually along global shipping lanes) mixed in with the rich biodiversity of Westernport provide fatal succour to birds that fly from Korea, Russia and other places around the world, It may well become their last journey.

6/ This follows the Federal ALP's decision to ignore the UNESCO World Heritage listing of the Great Barrier Reef and continue development of gas and coal facilities the entire length of the Queensland coast.

7/ The Port of Hastings development was enabled by the ALP's decision to construct the Frankston Bypass. The Westernport Highway is no longer necessary as it is in need of massive upgrades (flyovers, - Lyndsey Fox's trucks have to slow down at roundabouts) at every intersection before it can provide free access to Dandenong. Even though the Westernport Highway was earmarked for a rail connection to Dandenong from Hastings there is already a perfectly good rail line in Hastings that runs through Frankston which will be used in the short term at least. Ironically, the Westernport highway's use was also severely restricted by Dandenong Council allowing development along the corridor.

Ted Bailleau is merely completing Henry Bolte's "grand vision" of Westernport being "The Ruhr Valley" of the south east, and takes Victoria back to that time environmentally, but the sale of the Port of Melbourne has massive support in the inner west. If we accept the basic premise that "imports will rise 30% by 2035", and accept the "unacceptable" rise in ecological and carbon footprint that result then we are fully complicit in this destruction. The fate of Westernport can be directly aligned with the fate of the planet. The Arctic is being plundered, the vast wilderness of Canada is being polluted, the oceans off Nigeria and Brasil contaminated with oil spill. Since the Copenhagen Climate Summit the corporate world has responded ruthlessly. The financial crisis in Spain is to be fixed with an $20 billion "Euro Vegas" casino development based on it's Mafia creation in America.

"There is no clean land now, no safe place", Laurie Anderson,
Bien suerte, (Good luck)

Most of the tractors, trailers, trawlers, trains, and tankers of the world are powered by a one time fossil fuel. According to IEA, the harvesting of this energy peaked in 2006, a year before Tim Murray wrote these predictions. In considering the topic of the end of oil, I rely on two authorized sources: The Hirsch Report, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirsch_report and the report ”Fueling the Future Force”. http://www.cnas.org/files/documents/publications/CNAS_Fueling%20the%20Fu... The last report states: “We recommend that DOD establish a goal that by 2040, DOD must be able to operate all of its assets on non-petroleum fuels.” No mention of which “non-petroleum fuels” and by whom. Based on these facts, I feel Tim Murray’s predictions are very justified. Most people tailor their facts and arguments to support their core beliefs. In the case of peak oil and its ramifications, it is the willfully ignorant optimists who are doing the tailoring. Their numbers are so great that it is impossible to deal with all of them that surface on the Internet. It is of course not a crime to be found guilty of unfounded hope, but discrediting the evidence-based warnings of “Cassandras” should be. If this is tolerated without protest, then the collapse is more likely. As a Norwegian, I have been witness to an invasion. During the Second World War, the Germans inflicted many deprivations upon us, and I remember my father and uncle chopping wood into small pieces to power community trailers and buses that could not run for want of gasoline. Now I see my share of the commons once again reduced by the unwanted influx of foreigners who have not inherited and grown up with commitment to my ‘tribe’ and its culture. In view of the coming end of oil, this will be a tragedy for my descendants. In both cases there were people who warned us that our country was in danger, and that the future would be blacker than most people imagined. But their warnings has been ridiculed and dismissed. My grandchildren will inherit the chopping blocks from WW2 and the inscription will read: “Never again will we permit the killing of the messengers of doom. Never again will we tolerate the killing of Cassandras.” Reiel Folven

The people of Melbourne are, I believe already agitated and *“Future Shocked” from the changes to which they are continually subjected. They no longer know what their suburb will look like in 5 years or even next year. People I know on the outer fringes of Melbourne can't bear to drive along favorite roads because the countryside is being swallowed up with development. Melbourne people are bombarded with propaganda via the main media that they must leave their homes, move into apartments and cannot continue to live surrounded by gardens in the suburbs. Melbourne people now work about twice the number of hours it seems that they used to 40 years ago- at least if taken by household. It now takes 2 salaries to pay the mortgage that one salary covered before. Melbourne people's quality of life is diminishing. Privatization of services such as electricity and gas have not brought more choice through competition but just the annoying hassle of having to deal with billing companies taking up customers’ time trying to get them to change companies on the basis of silly, obscure so called savings. This is the broad brush back drop that the clanger into which the proposed sale of the Port of Melbourne has been dropped. Who amongst us shell shocked, future shocked people has any energy left to be as shocked as we should be? *Future Shock by Alvin Toffler

An increase in aggressive dingo behaviour in the lead-up to the Easter long weekend has prompted warnings to Fraser Island campers to take proper precautions. Mr Belcher, manager of Queensland's Parks and Wildlife Services said the last few weeks had seen incidents of "aggressive" from dingoes and visitors were urged to take particular caution this Easter holidays. Maybe they are just hungry?

Mr Belcher said it was illegal to feed dingoes and leaving food exposed was an offence that attracted on-the-spot fines of $300, or court penalties of up to $4000. Wildlife photographer Jennifer Parkhurst got a hefty fine of not the max $4000 but $40,000 for "feeding dingoes".

This abnormal fine was not for feeding dingoes, starving due to lack of food, but for exposing the internal corruption of the cruel management being imposed. It's really a managed extinction process so that tourists will have free reign without the threat of any dingo encounters.

See Dingo warning for Fraser Island of 5 Apr 12 by Skye Davidson

“Container movements are estimated to quadruple over the next 30 years and it is critical that we begin planning for this growth now,” Mr Napthine said. The biggest shipping container export out of Australia's east coast cities is thin air. An analysis by The Weekly Times shows the major ports of Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane ship a million empty containers a year, with food a distant second. It's an indication of the hollowness of our economy that while we have large numbers of full containers entering our ports, they are leaving largely empty. Paul Keating weakened our sovereignty with his alliance with Asia, and grovelling to them. Privatization of public assets has caused a loss of skills, and now more migrants are needed to fill our "skills shortages". Australia needs to take pride in its population and skills, not import goods that deprive our people of jobs and skills. Empty containers top exports In 2009, the Port of Melbourne's container logistics study revealed 292,033 empty containers were exported with food on 289,841. Our economy has become irrevocably linked with Asia's, and with population growth - for housing, construction of assets to cater for growth in freeways, water supply, infrastructure etc. It's short-term-ism as it's fatalistic worse. The economic growth paradigm means that the solution to debt is more economic growth through population growth - adding to the drain on our economy, the crushing of our once fine and liveable cities, adding to "shortages" and to housing stress. As for exports, they are mainly thin air!

China has too many Chinese even with the government's breeding control strategy, yet they keep making more Chinese. Stop breeding. Give generously to organisations developing birth control. Don't give to foreign charities. They just encourage breeding. John Marlowe

Fraser Island world heritage is 4WD world heritage - the labelling serves the 4WD and their bevan cohorts. Ask Queensland Tourism - they have invested taxpayer millions in upgrading 4WD world heritage facilities on Fraser Island, but bugger all for the island environment, yet shot heaps of growling dingos in the process. It was only a matter of time before Maccas and Mirvac condos rocked up under Captain Anna Bligh. Test will be under the new Liberal lot. Tigerquoll Suggan Buggan Snowy River Region Victoria Australia

PK: you react by saying: "So all imigrants can freely murder and then just be deported without any punishment."

No, foreigners (be they immigrants, visitors, whatever) if they are accused of committed a crime in Australia, they need to be tried in Australia; then if found guilty, auto-deported to their country of origin. The cost of the deportation, flight, and sentence/incarceration costs are to be at the full expense of their country of origin. The sentence is to be served in accordance with the Australian court's decision.

Look at how many foreigners are in Australia gaols! Why should the Australian taxpayer have to pay for another countries' criminals?

It is for Australian multi-lateral agreements to be updated to ensure this occurs. If a country of origin choses not to respect the sentence, then Australian bilateral ties are undermined. If this is repeated, the Australia Government has a right to deny travel to Australia by all citizens of that delinquent country.

Note this rule is universal. It applies equaly to Australian's overseas like Shapelle Corby. She should have been tried in Indonesia, then upon found guilty, immediately deported back to her country of origin - Australia to serve out her Indonesian sentence.

Recall the United States has does this for Staff Sgt. Robert Bales who has been accused of mass murder. Problem is that he ought to have rightly been tried in Afgahnistan, and if found guilty had has sentence served in the United States. The only change would be that if a death sentence were imposed, that this be commuted to term of natural life imprisonment. perpetuating capital punishment is backward and barbaric, just as stoning and cutting off fingers is barbaric.

Problem is that the United States has one rule for its own citizens and another for its non-citizens. This world policeman needs to have its powers reigned in.

Anon: Quite agree "the foreign nations involved need to guarantee a criminal sentence consistent with Australian law".

John Marlowe

I completly agree with both the premise and the way it's put forth. I might have lost a friend due to publicly responding to this self same issue. For too long this play has been writ large on our lives and it will not alter until we begin speaking some hard truths. Next, we need to act upon what we know to be true. I was involved in this back in "1982-83" plus, and the same players are still obstructing the field. Tx, Dave

Perhaps I should shed some light on the current Australian legal situation. Foreign nationals who commit crimes under Australian law and serve gaol sentences here, generally have their residency visas cancelled on release and are automatically deported back home ( R v Choon Tee Lim - murder of Victor Chang). If we were to send people back home immediately after being arrested, there would be no guarantee that the person would get the punishment they deserve. For the accused in the McEnallay case this would put punishment for the murder of an honest Aussie cop in the hands of Tongan courts. And, whether Tongan courts would choose to prosecute depends on it being a crime for a citizen to murder someone overseas. So unless the foreign nations involved can guarantee a criminal sentence consistent with Australian law, there simply isn't any point considering deportation until a sentence has been served here.

Protectors of Public Lands Victoria Inc members and friends Melbourne Leader is doing an article on the EW Link and the impact on Royal Park. Please come to a group photograph in the Park on the expanse of grassland south of the State Netball and Hockey Centre. (According to Eddington's plans this area will be an open quarry - the site of the junction of the tunnels.One branch goes south under Flemington Road and North Melbourne and Kensington to the Port and the other north west through Royal Park to CitiLink.) Please gather on Brens Drive opposite the Royal Park Urban Camp. Melways 29 D 12 at 1:15 pm for 1:30 pm on Tuesday 3 April. If driving you will need to drive to the end of Brens Drive (off Elliot Avenue) and park in the SNHC carpark then walk back. If coming by tram from the city take the No 55 North Coburg line from Elizabeth Street opposite Flinders Street station, it goes through North Melbourne and get off at Tram Stop 23 just near the spot where the tram line crosses Elliot Avenue at the south west corner of the Zoo and walk west across the Park to Brens Drive and the Urban Camp.

Dear Jay, Could I just say that I hope you are not excusing the crimes of Nazism. I can see that the URL you cited says that it is not and it does not appear to be, however it would be good if you could make this clear, since it isn't clear exactly what you disagree with Sheila about. James Sinnamon

Rod Eddington pointed out that, far from being a bottomless pit, Australia's initial $8bn funding pool from the Building Australia Fund had been depleted, leaving the authority to analyse projects without the means to finance them. He warned of economic and social fallout as funding dries up for important nation building projects. Also, a shortage of engineers is hampering Australia’s ability to deliver on infrastructure and nation building needs, leading to millions of dollars in cost overruns and lost opportunities for engineering projects. Lack of funding for tertiary education and the commercialisation of universities as a resource for foreign students is taking its toll on our skills, and finances. The Centre for the Advancement of the Steady State Economy was founded eight years ago and is now active on every continent. John Stuart Mill argued that when the limits to quantitative economic growth were reached, the focus of human progress would happily shift to qualitative development in terms of knowledge, creativity, cultural achievement and the quality of human relationships. There are limits to growth, and once our nation is built, governments should concentrate on quality, not quantity. State governments, the federal government and the Coalition, all promote unfettered economic growth. The goal of a steady state is to sustain a constant, sufficient stock of real wealth and people for a long time. A downward spiral of negative growth, a depression, debt and "shortages" of infrastructure such as we are entering now, is the result of a failed growth economy. We have many problems, including poverty, unemployment, environmental destruction, budget deficit, trade deficit, bailouts, bankruptcy, foreclosures, unaffordable housing, but apparently only one solution: economic growth - and population growth is the easiest route to grow our economy. It ignores the costs of growth. Physical expansion of the economic subsystem on finite natural "capital" is already increasing environmental and social costs faster than production benefits, thereby becoming not economic growth but uneconomic growth, making us poorer in living standards and stretches us economically. Australia as a nation is already built. It needs to be enhanced and protected from imploding from overpopulation, greed, top-heavy infrastructure, growth-pushing economic models and those who are prepared to allow per capita GDP and livestyles decline for overall national GDP.

Dear Sheila. I wouldn't discuss Lebensborn at all because I view so called "Reductio ad Hitlerum" arguments to be a cheap tactic and they often veer into simplistic, Straw Man territory, I admire your work and agree with you in principle but you've let yourself down here. I've studied the 20th century probably as intensively as any interested layperson can and I find few analogues between the treatment of Aboriginals, the government of Australia and the various social or economic programs of the Third Reich. A better comparison might be the treatment meted out to German civilians by the Allies after the war and the mass de Nazification and indoctrination programs which continue to this day, the Allies after all were "our people" and their actions set the pace of the second half of that century and carry on into the present. Some further reading on the post War depredations against German civilians: http://expelledgermans.org/index.html

Can anyone please provide a link to the proposed changes to negate the requirement to notify immediate neighbours of planning permit applications please? This sounds just wrong to me and must be stopped.

A lot of harm is caused by tourism in Fraser Island. This could be reduced considerably if vehicles were banned in Fraser Island. Fraser Island is supposed to be a wilderness area. It kind of defeats the purpose if people use its beaches as a highway. Without vehicles most tourists would stay close to settlement areas and their impact would be reduced considerably. Although there is a well entrenched 4wd tourism industry there now. The government should have nipped that in the bud years ago.

Sorry I disappointed you, Jay Douglas. I wrote that it was a completely demented program of Hitler's, not of the German people. I also said that this program was carried out in other countries, including France. Then I noted how the Australian government had accepted Nazis as immigrants here. Also that the British and Australian governments imported stolen British children here (some of them only four years old). And that aboriginal children were trained to be peoples' servants. The implication to be drawn is that generally the powerful do these things without even consulting the people. We see today how a big population is being socially engineered in Australia at great cost to the majority of people, who apparently can do nothing. They are beginning to realise what is happening and that it is being done against their will by big business, but they cannot raise their voices against the deadening blanket of growthist press: television, newspaper and radio - public and commercial - and media-dominated two-horse parliamentary elections. That to me is cut and dried fascism - the marriage of government to big business, with the press the mouthpiece of both and the public reduced to cipher 'customers'. What's your definition? You write: "I'd look a bit closer at the citizens of the occupied countries and Soviet Armies for perpetrators of atrocities against Lebensborn than start pointing the finger at their own parents or the NS government, there's no way they would have abandoned, killed or mistreated the children, it's completely out of character both for that regime and the German people." To say a people have a particular character that would never do something unpleasant is to generalise just a tad. The German government treated all kinds of Germans appallingly under the 3rd Reich, but so did the Russians, the British, the Japanese... And an awful lot of allies seemed to have used the Nazis against communism and to have been happy to allow Italian communists to die, even fighting on the allied side, rather than see them attain self-government. So, granted you don't like the way I wrote about it, how would you write about Lebensborn?

What a silly article, several stories from the past woven into one outrageous fable and melded into a cautionary tale for the 21st century, I won't even go into the widespread and widely supported eugenics and population programs of the 20th century, due to the hysterical anti Fascist and anti Soviet propaganda it's also impossible to have a normal conversation on the subject of Lebensborn or the Soviet Family. It's astonishing that an otherwise sensible contributor has bought into spurious anti German hate speech like this, what purpose does it serve?. When a Chinese or Indian couple hands over a baby to be raised by the state it's seen as a tragedy, yet Germans who participated in Lebensborn are monsters? Germans are not monsters, they never were, they're normal people just like you and I so why the hatred?. National Socialist Germany was not the cartoon Horror show that's been dreamed up in Hollywood, I suspect the author, like most people has never studied it's history in any depth and only knows the era from fiction such as "Sophie's choice" or "Schindler's List". Many children were sired by German troops abroad, Anni Frid Lyngstad, of ABBA fame was born to a Norwegian Mother and German Father, they were persecuted after the war and fled to Sweden, there are stories of these little "War children", four and five years old being marched through the main streets of Norweigian towns to be jeered, pelted with Garbage and spat upon. I'd look a bit closer at the citizens of the occupied countries and Soviet Armies for perpetrators of atrocities against Lebensborn than start pointing the finger at their own parents or the NS government, there's no way they would have abandoned, killed or mistreated the children, it's completely out of character both for that regime and the German people.

The Australian Immigration Department is struggling to deal with visas to import Middle East teen brides. Two hundred 17 year old girls were granted prospective spouse visas over the past 5 years. They have been brought to Australia to get married under a government visa program. The majority of the teenagers were from the Middle East or South East Asian countries. There have been hundreds of 18 - 20 year olds sponsored by older men. Some girls have been badly treated and have found themselves in difficult situations as Muslims. Under the visa's conditions the girls must marry their sponsor within 9 months. Australian laws only allow minors to be married in strictly - controlled circumstances, with court approval. Child safety campaigners are appalled at the extent of this situation and the Australian Childhood Foundation has called for an urgent inquiry stating a thorough audit needs to be done to ensure the safety of these children. This is a result of encouraging "diversity" and multiculturalism! There are a series of proposals seeking to advance the cause of Islam in our national capital, Canberra. From a proposal to build a 1,000 person mosque, to plans for establishment of an Islamic Museum which would promote the claimed Islamic history of our nation, pre European settlement, through to the establishment of a seat of Islamic teaching to promote multi faith acceptance in Australia, it can be seen that Islamic leaders are currently targeting the heart of our nation.

Eggs are not essential to a person's well being, nor are they essential to use as an ingredient in cooking, there are many substitutes for eggs in recipes. The average egg contains 213 milligrams of cholesterol, entirely in the yolk. This is the most concentrated cholesterol level in any common food. Eggs have many functions in recipes. The main ones are as binders, holding the ingredients together and as raising agents as in sponge cakes and soufflés because of their ability to trap and hold air. The purpose of the egg in the original recipe, as well as the quantity of egg required in the recipe, determines whether you need a substitute. Egg replacers are egg-free and are usually in a powdered form. Any of the following ingredients can replace one whole egg in baking: - Commercial vegetarian egg replacer – use as directed on the packet - 1 tablespoon of cornflour/custard powder mixed with 2 tablespoons of water - ¼ cup of tofu blended with the liquid ingredients in the recipe - Half a small banana, mashed; or ¼ cup apple purée; mashed pumpkin; or puréed dates/ prunes. These will add a hint of flavour and give a denser texture to the end product. For a lighter texture, add an extra ½ teaspoon of baking powder to the mix. Often times, you can skip the eggs in a recipe if it only calls for one or two. All you need to do is add a couple extra tablespoons of liquid to balance the moisture content of the product. As Leavening use: - 2 tablespoons carbonated water and 2 teaspoons baking flour - 1 teaspoon baking powder, 1 tablespoon water, and 1 tablespoon vinegar (add vinegar separately at the end for rising) - Dissolve 1 teaspoon yeast in 1/4 cup warm water There are some wonderful recipes for scrambled tofu to be found, but mostly they seem to be quite spicy & loaded with vegetables, such as onion & peppers – I guess to counteract the mildness of the tofu, Vegan Breakfast Scramble 90g (3oz) firm tofu (I used quarter of a 350g block of Nutrisoy organic tofu) 2 spring onions (also known as green onions, shallots or scallions), finely sliced, including some of the green tops 2 teasp margarine or oil (I used Nuttelex) 1 dessertspoon nutritional yeast flakes (Lotus Savoury Yeast Flakes here in Australia) 1 heaped desertspoon chickpea (besan) flour 1/4 cup soy milk (or your non-dairy milk of choice, plain & unsweetened) pinch of ground turmeric for colour pinch of dried dill or 1/2 teasp fresh dill, chopped pinch of powdered garlic pinch of cayenne pepper salt & pepper to taste Drain the tofu & crumble it, but not too much because you want some texture. Sauté the spring onions & crumbled tofu in the margarine or oil on a medium heat in a non-stick pan until it’s just starting to become golden (don’t let it brown). While the tofu is cooking, whisk together the other ingredients to make a smooth batter -it should be the consistency of thin cream. Turn the heat down low & add the soy milk mixture to the pan with the tofu & stir gently until it thickens & becomes creamy. If you think it’s getting a little too thick, add a dash more soymilk & combine. Pile it on to toast & enjoy! Makes 1-2 serves (equivalent to 2-3 scrambled eggs). All egg production involves cruelty, even "free range", as one of the reasons for this is because half of all chicks are killed because they are males and hence don't lay eggs, so economics dictate they don't live.

The dingo went through a "horror" death and a terrifying ordeal as the noose-bound animal struggled so intensely to breathe that it tore the muscles of its ribs and chest wall. This happened under the ministerial responsibility of then Environment Minister Kate Jones. The fatal experiment did not have ethics approval at the time, but Save Fraser Island Dingoes vice-president Jennifer Parkhurst says the QPWS had not been able to produce the document even in August. The SFID representatives have no assurances that the dingoes did not suffer from QPWS trapping methods. The dingo was snared by DERM officers using a pole noose after being caught in a leg trap. Officials predictably have dismissed the death as an "isolated incident". The animal suffered extensive bruising, particularly around the throat and genitals, as well as haemorrhaging to the thorax, limbs, neck, eye and lumbar spine region. Ranger Linda Behrendorff expressed anger at claims of dingo mistreatment. This is not about responsible care of a precious and threatened native animal, but a cruel managed extinction. They are considered no more than a pest to be "managed" to eliminate them as a threat to Fraser Island tourism, and dismissed as not really a "native" animal. 'Around one thousand dingoes have been trapped on Fraser Island since 2001. This work includes the ear-tagging program as well as the current satellite tracking component of the population study," DERM regional manager Mr Belcher said. Department of Environment and Resource Management has been called upon to answer a range of concerns. NDPRP vice-president and veterinarian Dr Ian Gunn claims there is evidence to suggest collars were fitted to the island dingo population in May last year, three to four months before approval was granted by the DERM animal ethics research committee. New Premier elect Campbell Newman has promised to set up an immediate independent scientific peer review of the Fraser Island dingo management strategy in the first 100 days of his new LNP government.

I also saw this item on the French news. I must have known about it in a vague way as it did not come as a complete surprise. It is recent in the context of human history - 70 years ago years ago. People talk about infanticide in so called "primitive people" but what was this? Unwanted children just left to die. The program of sending British "orphans" to Australia (and Canada) after the 2nd World war, only to be ill treated and exploited in many cases does not rate as any more more civilised. And what about the "stolen generation" of Aboriginal children taken from their families and adopted into the families of white strangers up until the 1970s. Australia has a strong history of social engineering which is getting into its stride now even though the government said sorry to the Aborigines. When social engineering targets a different set of people it comes back in disguise. Meanwhile the Aborigines are left with the scraps of this continent and the seemingly impossible task of making a fist of it. The term "nation building" is nauseating and totally misleading. It means the destruction of the unique features of our country- its landscape, its fauna, its freedoms.

(An email to the friend who forwarded the link to this essay): Dear George: Once again, you have a Cassandra who, while no doubt quite correct in his conclusions over a longer time frame, completely goes off the deep end in his short-term predictions. 5B people starving within 20 years? 100M of them in the USA? (Of course, he just says "die," and a certain number, quite probably including you and maybe me, will die in that time by reasons not related to the food supply, but within the context of his article, I think that "starving" captures his point.) Ah, bullshit, I thought...and then I realized that he wrote this 5 years ago, so now he means within 15 years. And he calls the masses "innumerate"... As always (and especially with your friend James Howard Kunstler), it does little good for someone who writes as brilliantly as this Murray guy does (the oxygen mask analogy was spot-on) to sabotage his message with such claims. And it's too bad, because his message is one that really needs to be heard. Just to give you an idea of how much "we" need to hear it...last night, NPR reported that yesterday's budget vote was considered a compromise even within the Republican party, and then had a sound-bite from some Repugnant spokeshole complaining that under the plan, the budget would not be balanced until 2040. And NPR reported this as actual news, instead of pointing out that no one but a complete moron would pretend to speculate about what the budget might look like in 28 years...even if it were binding on future administrations, legislators, or voters....let alone on Mother Nature. So Murray isn't the only one making ridiculous predictions. But I still don't like to see "our side" falling into that trap. But of course, I could be wrong. Care to make a bet on how accurate those figures are? --TG

The area a battery chicken has to stand on it about the size of an A4 sheet of paper. Animal welfare organisations have been fighting to have this practice stopped for decades. How anyone could do this to such personable creatures as domestic hens is beyond me. How the powers that be can think it remotely OK is also. I guess the forces are a bit like the ones involved in the export of live cattle. They make a lot of noise as their profits are affected by any changes that will benefit the animals. One day as I approached the egg shelves in the supermarket, I saw a young man apparently ruminating over which eggs he would buy. I asked him "Did you know that the cage eggs are produced in a particularly cruel way? "Yes" he said indifferently and took a dozen cage eggs right in front of me.

I posted the following to a friend after I had watched on SBS's "On Demand Service", part 1 of Korea: The Forgotten War In Colour which was broadcast on SBS Television last Friday 23 March. The on-line broadcast expires in 9 days, so it won't be possible to see it on the Internet after Saturday 7 April. Part 2 is to be broadcast at 9.35 PM on Friday 30 March, tomorrow night.

The documentary has value, but, amongst other omissions, omits
evidence that the Korean War was the continuation of the brutal
suppression of a popular liberation struggle by the US which began in 1945 at the end of the Second World War. The Southern regime was largely comprised of Koreans who had collaborated with the Japanese occupiers.

This is shown in Korea - The Unknown War of 1988 by Jon Halliday and Bruce Cumings. It is 224 pages in total and largely consists of photos The introduction says that the claims made in the book are fully verified in a larger earlier book by the same authors, The Fire in Korea.

Looking on the Internet, it seems that The Fire in Korea is unobtainable. I found a note from a librarian in New South Wales dated 1992 which stated that she could not find a copy in any NSW library.

You can, however, find some traces of this book around the internet. Here is one useful source: "Selections from Jon Halliday and Bruce Cumings, Korea: The Unknown War (London: Viking; New York: Penguin, 1988)."

A lot of powerful businesspeople seem to actually believe the cornucopian, perpetual growth fantasies they spin. Its not just an act for many of them. I wonder if this is because to be successful in business you have to be optimistic. It could be that a high level of success in the world of business tends to select for mindlessly optimistic people.

Tim's essay does brilliant job of describing the future problems facing our species. He shows why we must face the future with reality and not hopes and dreams.

France's national rail service, the SNCF (Société nationale des chemins de fer français) has been held legally responsible for untimely service. A woman lost her job due to repeatedly coming late to work. She sued the SNCF because she was late due to their tardy service. A Parisian tribunal found that there existed a contract between the train traveller and the railway service to deliver her to her destination on schedule. The SNCF had failed to perform in that contract with a member of the public. The woman was compensated for the loss of her job. Source: J.T., France2, 27 March 2012, 2000h.

Here is an example of where the ABC has reported as fact a matter which it previously reported as contested, with no explanation to the listeners for the change.

28 March 2012: 9AM ABC News (heard on 774) reported Syrian troops crossed border into Lebanon. It also reported that Lebanese authorities denied these reports and said that the fighting was on Syrian side of the border.

28 March 2012: 10AM ABC News (heard on 774) only reported allegations that Syrians had crossed into Lebanon and omitted denial from Lebanese authorities. It preceded these apparently biased reports with statements from Hilary Clinton condemning the Syrian regime.

In the above article "Syria -70% vote to end one-party state - why aren't we celebrating?" at , Candobetter has suggested that the European-US military alliance is trying to isolate Iran. I think they are right. ABC reporting bias like this is reproducing a climate of reporting around the western world that could be responsible for creating an impression where invasion of Syria and Iran (like Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan) becomes apparently acceptable and we are drawn into a third world war to make the Middle Eastern oil-states accessible to the European-US aligned corporations. These corporations have old alliances with western nations.

See also: WESTERN PSY-OPS AGAINST SYRIA: When Mrs Assad’s 'Shopping' Becomes a 'Crime Against Humanity' of 27 March - Ed

It is mind boggling to me to read serious treatises which are based upon assumptions of humans being rational, giving up hierarchy, and thinking long term. We have evolved with fitness characteristics which are contrary to those assumptions. You can wager for charity on future outcomes if you think otherwise. See longbets.org Homo superstitius-hierarch is in numerical overshoot. This does not negate inequality of all kinds; it exacerbates it. Does anyone think humans will voluntarily return to muscle power rather than use tractors, push buttons, drive vehicles, etc? Wanna bet? Voluntary simplicity is a small tail on the Bell Curve. Greed and power mongers (top dogs who are also sociopathic?) are the other small tail. The bulk of us are in the fat middle. Guess which tail has more of a 'magnetic pull' to those in the middle. I rest my case. No socio-economic engineering can cure what is primarily a scale problem unless massive reduction in scale is effectively targeted. With Governments, Businesses, and Religions (the three main global institutions) addicted to growth, how is that to be managed? I'm all ears. ;-)

VicForests successfully "won" the case against a not-for-profit environmental group MyEnvironment in the Supreme Court. MyEnvironment Inc Justice Osborn has announced his decision on costs in My Environment -v- VicForests. He has awarded costs against My Environment, but not on the higher scale (indemnity). We don't yet know how much this will be but can safely say it is a very substantial amount of money. In announcing his decision, Justice Osborn made a number of observations, mostly in regard to his reasons for not awarding VicForests the higher scale. * The proceedings were brought in good faith for the purpose of seeking to protect and conserve the habitat of an endangered species, the Leadbeater's Possum. * The Proceedings are fairly characterised as having been pursued in the public interest. * The case brought about a material refinement of Vicforests' timber harvesting proposal with respect to Gun Barrel [coupe]. * The case raises questions of the construction of subsidiary legislation intended to protect the LBP, which apply not only to the three coupes in question but to the timber harvesting of regrowth montane ash forests within the Central Highlands generally. * On the question of whether the words 'mature and senescing' should be construed cumulatively or as alternatives, My Environment was successful. * My Environment has no motive of private gain. * The interpretation of the provisions at issue has particular practical significance, and is of general public importance, because of the destruction and damage to large parts of the montane ash forests in the Central Highlands by the 2009 Black Saturday Fires. * The construction of the legislation is not free from difficulty and falls to be interpreted within a series of overlapping complex and labyrinthine controls. Given all the above you may wonder why he awarded costs against My Environment. In short, the reasons were that VicForests was overwhelmingly successful in its defence and that its offer of settlement (27th January 2012) was entirely reasonable. Finally, Justice Osborn removed the interlocutory injunction but granted a further limited restraint of timber harvesting within Gun Barrel for 14 days, in order to protect such appeal rights as My Environment may have. Regards to all, For our increasingly fragile forests, Steve NB: Despite being a not-for-profit group, acting in the interests of the forests, endangered species and public interests, our State government's logging industry agency will be paid damages for the court hearing. The Flora and Fauna Guarantee Act has not got the power to overturn the logging industry's interests in the habitat's of Leadbeater's Possums, our Victorian native emblem. As such, their extinction will be "managed". Leadbeater's possum faces "managed extinction" without action Australian National University ecologist Professor David Lindenmayer has written to federal Environment Minister Tony Burke this week, requesting the possum's conservation status be upgraded urgently from endangered to critically endangered under federal biodiversity protection laws. They will be in a corner of a natural science museum, stuffed in the recent extinction section, thanks to Victoria's permeable "protected" status for even highly threatened species.

Dearest Menkit,

These trees were important for the spiritual health of the NSW health department and the council of the Tweed shire, and now, in my eyes, anyone who uses the Medical centre may be destined to become ill like the Koalas,..... sorry people....

Sorry to THOSE who need the health centre....???

Sorry to the people with little babies bottle fed, choked up on poisonous food chains and sick with constipations and infections from too many processed formulas, processed foods, poisoned water, air and chemicals and ":DEAD" foods that do not truly nourish.

SORRY to the youths who suffer from mental DIS EASE due to an overfeeding of Maccas, soft drinks, media inconsistencies and meaningless lives that cause a fragile brain to shatter into delusion and drug dependencies, ingesting plasticised DEAD foods and living spiritually devoid lives until their whole minds turn to violence, despair and mindless crimes of the insane.

SORRY to the middle aged people ill from living their lies and INDOLENT lifestyles of over consumption of goods made in poor cruel third world economies that rely on slave labour to produce ipods, computers, TVs and cars that everyone "traffics" in here, and

SORRY to the old people with their degenerative disorders from lives full of creating a world that is killing off every single living beautiful creature in order that only those who honour DEAD metal and plastics and poisons made by the blood and sweat of the poor, can "LIVE"....

SORRY to all you egotistical innocents, that crowd into the Pottsville medical centre with complaints that are largely lifestyle driven from living lifestyles that hinge on the destruction of all things GOOD on this planet....

HANG ON!!!!!

I AM NOT SORRY...You are the ones that should be SORRYl!!

I think , when i see what the medical world has done to us, with their drugs, procedures and ever evolving complex methodologies that make people mistakenly believe that they are HEALERS... I THINK, when I SEE this cruel killing of koala habitat , I THINK that I see it beckoning the quickest and most succinctly accurate forms of KARMA.... a balance. A balancing that eventuates in every single person involved in profiting and making a living from this clearing of the Pottsville trees .. soon to be losing their OWN homes, their OWN livelihoods and their OWN means of getting about safely, to find food... living food.

This clearing of the pottsville trees is a PIVOT point for all who govern and lead industries on the tweed. I think that now, it is TOO
LATE for redemption,, by these people who govern the TWEED.

THERE WAS a knowing... an understanding of the eternity about the action that was taken there.

THERE WAS a complete knowledge by ALL INVOLVED...

now YOU all go play a game of golf before booking your holidays to far off islands and luxuriate in your hotel suites......me?, i chose not to play your games, go on your holidays, pursue your DEAD DREAMS.... i chose life, in heaven, with those darling Koalas......

and so it goes........ as Kurt Cobain sang.... where do bad people go when they die? they don't go to heaven where the angels fly.... they go to a lake of fire and fry....cos when they kill koalas, they KNOW WHY.... or sumpthin like that......

I had written an article about those trees on bluecray...a couple of months back:
Community Health and Tweed Coast Koala Populations of 13 January 2012

I went to visit that site, looked at the trees, and saw that there was indeed a way to save them, and still create a medical centre there.......the really sick people are not the ones who will need treatment at the Health centre.... the really sick ones are the ones who allowed the tree clearing to occur......the NSW Health Officials, Department of Planning, the Tweed Councillors and the designers of the Centre....YES, these are the sick ones!!! Well, some of them are sick.... some of them are just plain bad.

al

An economy based on "developments" means big population and big lobbying power. It's all about profits and growth, using people as resources and using them for their own ends. Cities need to evolve according to human-friendly demands, and according to a balance between environmental resources and management of waste, water and energy. The push to increase population is about using people like livestock, accumulating them for economic benefits. It's assumed that population growth must be managed, planned for and accommodated. Our growth rate is government policy, and as such, can and should be changed according to democratic trends and the stresses being placed on cities. Now there is the concept of vertical cities, with people crammed together living higher and higher to suit opportunities for developers, banks and the property industry. It's not only the Labor party that needs a wake up call from Anna Bligh's fall. Pushing growth, the selling off of assets for infrastructure, the squeeze on the public's purse, declining living standards, increasing threats on native species, and attacks on democracy were all part of her agenda. Future elections must address the growth-addiction agenda and developers' power. Politicians must be scrutinised on their policies on population and patriotism before we vote for them. Australia is at a tipping point on whether we go towards a sustainable Australia, to one engulfed by the Asian Century of greed, growth and environmental collapse.

Selfish Verwer and his greedy Property Council can bugger off to Shanghai, where there is concrete aplump - ought to make 'em happy.

This mob is a wrecking ball to Australian values.
Wise and personable Australians put liveability on a pedestal.

Not convinced? Learn from the Chinese Government's infatuation with high rise development and the consequencies. View ABC Four Corners programme aired last night and tell the greedy Property Council their concrete congested vision is unwelcome in Australia.

'The Fastest Changing Place on Earth'

Watch programme: 'iView'

Tigerquoll
Suggan Buggan
Snowy River Region
Victoria
Australia

A new report from the Grattan Institute has been discussed in the main media today. This report shows that loneliness in Melbourne is on the increase. With acknowledgement to the Herald Sun today - it lists from the report the contributing factors as inefficient transport networks stealing time and leading to increased commute times and diminished time with family and friends, heavy traffic reducing contact between neighbours, buildings with blank walls on street level , lacking forecourts where people could congregate and interact. Add to this the push to remove older people from their homes to make way for a greater, younger population and there is a recipe for loneliness. People make their strongest links in young adulthood , when many people might move into an area and raise their children. This is a strongly bonding experience with neighbours especially if children attend the same school. (my observation ) To move away from an area in later years means losing the day to day incidental contacts one has built up. Add to this the constant upheaval in suburbs from ongoing demolitions and building of new higher density and higher rise buildings with strangers inserted within established communities which cannot help in retaining social cohesion.

As a caller on ABC radio this morning said "We are not an oligarchy (pause) Well we are not supposed be ..."

I see that the expanding human world that engulfs nature, destroys our fellow creatures and causes the decline of other life forms cannot keep expanding and in fact will come to an end. There is no "hope" of it continuing the path it is used to. To me, this coming end is the reprieve that the Earth's crust and the biosphere so sorely needs. I am optimistic that this will happen. I hope it is not too late for life other than human. I like the term "unwelcome truth" in your article, Tim. Might that not also be a nice name for a publishing house? It could be like the Puffin arm of Penguin.

I don't really agree that "it panders to our cultural and neurological need for false hope." I think it panders to a taught approach that comes from big business that was cultivated in NGOs by the corporate world from the late 1970s. NGO's got the idea that big business, government and grass roots environmentalists were all going to be friends and, furthermore, that NGO workers would become respected, salaried folk. They became open to lessons from their big brothers in the corporations and swallowed the idea that people will only read and think about something if you tell them everything will be alright. So my disagreement is with how this came about.

The Municipal Authority Victoria (MAV) ran a forum called "Housing Melbourne," on Thursday 22 March 2012, from 5pm – 7:30pm at the Spring Street Conference Centre, Theatrette. A number of people who attended say that it made a mockery of democracy. Remember, this was an event held by the Municipal Authority of Victoria, which is subsidised by residents' rates which pay for local councils to be members. It is quite expensive. Councils should resign from the MAV in protest at their values in running events like this. Kevin Hunt from MAB spoke about getting rid of the artificial Council boundaries so that they can really DEVELOP the city. He implied that people might comment on the end product but that they should have no rights over individual planning applications; that there should only be strategic planners and that they should get rid of prescriptive codes and statutory planners with their "rules and rulers" could keep the leafy suburbs. It was all so bad. An architect said they should get rid of lobby groups who canvas councils to refuse applications. He implied that only architects should have rights in this. This is not the first MAV forum that has shown a similar shameful attitude towards citizens' rights. The one before this was completely prejudiced in favor of development and actually made fun of people who tried to assert residents' and citizens' rights. There is no lack of speakers against this overdevelopment that tramples everyone's rights but the MAV shows that it is biased towards developers and that it has forgotten how to represent peoples' interests and rights. No-one should permit their rates to be used to supplement this travesty. It is not a local council organisation; it is a development organisation. People should refuse to pay their rates for anything to do with it.

Subject was: agreed! - Ed.Immigration policy is a joke in Australia for the reasons you mention in your article and more.

I married a man who was not yet a permanent resident when he started beating me, my children, was arrested a few times for these reasons and for drug and alcohol related charges.

Subsequently, I withdrew sponsorship and left to protect my children. My cultural community who accepts the abuse of women and children rallied around him and he is still in Australia a year later.

He pays no child support, doesn't want to see the children, has violated restraining orders, pleaded guilty to 2 counts of abuse (against me and our children), has drug charges, is not even an Australian resident and is being protected by my ethnic community. The police lawyers everyone has rung immigration - no-one cares.

IS IMMIGRATION ABOVE THE AUSTRALIAN LAW?

Bob Carr discusses his attitude to a Big Australia and his continued role as SPA Patron on Lateline 22-03-2012 See http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2012/s3461709.htm?site=&source=rss Here's the guts of it: Australian Broadcasting Corporation Broadcast: 22/03/2012 Reporter: Tony Jones New Foreign Minister Bob Carr discusses relations with Indonesia, China's place in the world, his committment to addressing climate change, the risk of war between Israel and Iran, and his favourite American president. Transcript TONY JONES, PRESENTER: Tonight's guest is the Foreign Minister, Bob Carr. ... ... CARR: ... Yet we are the largest emitters of carbon pollution per head of population. And I can't talk as I did yesterday to ambassadors from poor countries, from Africa, from the Caribbean, from the South Pacific and urge them to take action on climate change unless I can point to Australia's record as a rich country taking serious action. With the passage of this legislation under the Gillard Government we've now got that and we've got iron-clad credibility when we talk about climate. TONY JONES: Let me ask you this: as Foreign Minister have you been forced to put aside your fundamental objections to the idea of a big Australia? BOB CARR: I will stay patron of sustainable population Australia. I believe in the cause of linking population growth to our key environmental indicators. TONY JONES: Won't that be in conflict with Government policy which is to increase immigration exponentially? BOB CARR: No, I remind you of what Prime Minister Gillard said when she took her office. She moved Australia away from what I see as an old-fashioned notion of simply force-feeding population growth. We've got a different economy from the one we had in the 1950s and 1960s when you had car plants in just about every Australian city, when we were - we needed more and more blue-collar workers. We haven't got that old kind of old-fashioned manufacturing economy today. We've got a smarter economy and we need a different approach to population growth and we've got to respect the environmental limits of this strange and fragile continent. We've got to respect its environmental limits and population policy has got to be tailored to that. Sent by Mark O'C

Jenny Warfe writes: "As we’ve known since Blue Wedges first looked at export/import data back in 2004, our biggest export is empty containers, and has been for many years. All of a sudden The Weekly Times has fallen upon the information, and made it front page news this week: http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/article/2012/03/21/458861_latest-news.html And, no surprise really- Baillieu might be considering selling the PoM for a mere $2.4 billion, just a little over twice what we have just spent on digging deeper channels to “prepare for the PoM future”. And, that’s only one quarter of the $10 billion he intends to spend “developing” Hastings: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/baillieu-flags-state-asset-sales-20120322-1vmzf.html

Actually, Ms Proust is defending her banking turf from the reduction in traffic that would come if the government and the banks etc stopped interfering in population growth. She is in fact saying, "No population stabilisation in my backyard!"

It's as though Ms. Proust has unconsciously blurted out that she wants to eradicate the rights of people to protect their personal amenity and that of their neighbours (motivated by “NIMBY” attitude) and blithely suggests a reduction of democratic opportunities to achieve this. I don’t mean that she doesn't think it. I'm sure she's quite genuine! But it is almost unbelievable that someone would actually say it to her fellow citizens! When she wakes up, surely she will be embarrassed and humiliated that she said this and that it is on record? Or have we shot right past any semblance of democracy and reached a new low benchmark that The Age is now quite happy to go along with?

What kind of environmental vandalism can the community expect to be protected from legally if our State government's own agency, VicForests, is in breach of environmental laws? It makes mockery of any law and order. We have enough vandals and criminals, and we don't need any from Spring Street. VicForests has been on financial life-support for too long. Old growth forests need to be protected from so-called "sustainable logging". Native species are being driven to extinction and any legislation to protect them is being weakened, not enforced. It's shameful that not for profit community groups must use private funds against a government gone feral. Everything is up for sale now for monetary gain and jobs. The Barrister for VicForests recently claimed that prohibiting logging would deprive communities of "social and economic benefits". However, "social and economic benefits" should not be at the cost of stripping Victoria of its wealth of natural assets such as endangered species and old growth forests.

This country is and has always been run by the most gutless and spineles members of Australia that manipulate in every way possible to keep themselves and their slimey freinds in control,power and money.99% of councilers and politicians will crawl so far up each others arses to piss in each others pockets for their own adgendas it's not funny.as always these politicians and councilors are only there for their mates and their own adgenda's they are not there for the average australian person, in anyway or form.crikey's just look at mister midnight oil he had all the answers before he was a politician and now he's peter the carrot sprouting out of more arses than you can poke a stick at.

Jack Roach, President, Boroondara Residents’ Action Group (BRAG), writes, "I have news for Ms Proust, the number of councils and the residents who want to protect their neighbourhoods from unacceptable developments are not the problem. The problem is the rate of population growth, not the residents. The solution is to curb the population growth not build higher and bigger apartment blocks to house the new arrivals. Ms Proust who is currently Bank of Melbourne chair does not represent the residents of Melbourne, she is obviously speaking on behalf of her developer clients."

Bob Carr, back when he was NSW's premier, declared Sydney was FULL. While he has confirmed his support for small-"m" multiculturalism, it doesn't require a Big Australia or a burgeoning population. The pro-immigration Premier now wants to open the door to more skilled business migrants and international students to help revive the state's economy. He blames poor planning by governments - not immigration - for population pressures. It's assumed that "planning" can simply wipe away all the problems of overpopulation - ignore the costs on the environment, funding, lower lifestyles, increasing crime and the congestion of public and private transport. Is he right? Can Sydney cater for more immigrants? The Sydney Morning Herald invite entries of no more than 150 words. Please send to [email protected] by 10am on Friday and put "Is Sydney full?" in the email subject field. Please include your full name, email address and telephone number. It's assumed that economic growth, through a bigger GDP, will solve all the technological, human and environmental limitations of growth. The best will be published in the Extra section of the new Sun-Herald on Sunday. Readers are about to get a smarter choice on Sundays. The new Sun-Herald will engage more deeply with its Herald heartland - intelligent readers seeking more substance on Sundays. http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/the-loaded-dog-20120321-1vj1o.html

Consider the source of this propaganda. From what I've gathered this man (I use the term loosely) is a vile pocket minion of the tarsands. In no way is Ethical Oil independent. The Keystone XL corruption proved this. A book coming from someone who "interviewed" occupiers by asking about 20 people at the Occupy Movement if they had enough condoms is not worth the ink. Anyone who throws racial slurs (What racial slurs? - Ed) as a form of debate when met with First Nations death rate concerns during a public forum does not deserve the space you allotted to post his ideals. Yuck.

Fred Magdoff wrote: Ted, There is much in what you write that is admirable-- we do have to live a simpler life and that must specifically address the wealthy (I recently came across the 2008 World Development Indicators from the World bank in which their economists estimate that the wealthiest 10% of people (that would be about 700 million) consume 69% of the worlds private consumption while the bottom 40%--3.5 billion people-- use about 4.8% of the private consumption. Any discussion that ignores this reality gets nowhere fast.) The transition communities are important--because they demonstrate that people can live productive and interesting lives with lots of free time to pursue recreation/intellectual/artistic/social interests, without using a lot of resources. I would like to explain a bit more about what you see as the left (or Marxist) position on all this. I think that it is true that much of the left, including some Marxists, are Johnny come latelys to the environmental crisis. This point is made clear in Naomi Klein's blurb for What Every Environmentalist Needs to Know About Capitalism: “I’m not sure who needs to read this relentlessly persuasive book more: environmentalists who imagine we can solve the ecological crisis without confronting capitalism, or leftists who have yet to recognize the ecological crisis as the highest expression of the capitalist threat. How about both, and then some. Indispensable.” However, there is an important progressive and insightful Marxist tradition on environmental issues going back to the works of Marx and Engels that is actually quite advanced. Some of the quotes that we used in the book "What Every Environmentalist...." from Engels are truly amazing. They could (and should) be made environmentalists nowadays. Perhaps the person that has helped to develop that theme is John Bellamy Foster (I refer you to some of his books) plus there have been many articles in Monthly Review). It is certainly true that there were (and perhaps still are) people who consider themselves Marxists and look at things as you describe--everyone has their Mercedes. I have not come across them, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. However, there is a truly vibrant Marxist/left that completely understands that we all must live a very modest standard of living. with best regards, FRED

Is Oakeshott so naive or really pandering to industrial logging vested interests in his NSW electorate of Lynne (Port Macquarie) struggling to perpetuate their excuse to log? Forests NSW (a State logger like government bullies VicForests and Forestry Tasmania), Australian Solar Timbers (family sawmillers in Kempsey) and Port Macquarie-Hastings Council (bankrupted, sacked in 2008 and still under administration for capital works excesses). Smells this, even before you burn it. Tigerquoll Suggan Buggan Snowy River Region Victoria Australia

This is a thoughtful, sad indictment of an outmoded military training culture with tragic consequences for all involved.

Tigerquoll has identified various factors needing to be examined in establishing a causal explanation for Julian Knight's behaviour at least, and - by extension - the behaviour of all other rogue soldiers (Linda English, Nidal Malik Hasan, and Robert Bales being three in the US that instantly come to mind) spawned or aggravated by a military training culture badly in need of overhaul.

Tigerquoll seems to be accurately identifying (from his own experience) the potentiating of psychotic acting-out by the effects of institutionalised sadistic abuse. I would add that an individual who takes into military service the emotional damage resulting from a pre-existing emotional history of physical/sexual abuse (e.g. perpetrated within family, extended family or school settings) is inevitably vulnerable to the repetition and revitalising of these experiences (with all the old feelings and ruminations attached to them) in any sadistically abusive training setting that rationalises barbaric practices as par for the course in "making a good soldier".

Surely there is a line to be drawn between soldier training and gratuitous, sadistic abuse - which in my view extends to the practice of multiple tours of duty. As a trauma psychologist (retired) I have treated many vets and have consistently identified positive correlations between preexisting psychological factors and chronic - even occasionally psychotic - levels of post-traumatic stress that can totally unhinge an individual, most especially one prematurely returned to duty. There are endless stories depicting variations on these themes, for example this sorry tale, selected more or less at random: Prosecutors: Army Lt. Col. Robert Underwood tried to hire hitman to kill wife, superior officer of 13 March.

Another astute observation made by tigerquoll concerns the nature of the recruitment process, of which one of the battery of tests apparently explores a recruit's capacity to kill. No doubt this is linked to "in service to king and country" or "to protect home and family" (I am not privy to recruitment procedures), but irrespective of questionnaire details the question is still begged as to why the recruitment process (with its battery of psychological tests) should not be similarly capable of weeding out socially marginalised or psychotically disturbed individuals who may be opportunistically (albeit unconsciously) seeking affiliation or retribution via a career in the military. More crucially, perhaps, we should be asking whether there exists a tacit agenda in the defence forces to embrace the disturbed and the deviant (e.g. because they are likely to make efficient killing machines), given that war and career soldiering are no longer fashionable in affluent contemporary western cultures.

The principle of "overdetermination" is clearly at play here, where no single factor is capable of precipitating psychopathic behaviour, which requires a series of determining factors or variables to reach critical mass. Nonetheless, given that it is the poor and marginalised who, at least in the US, seem most vulnerable to the jingoistic anthems of recruitment drives, with economic downturns traditionally seeing a boost in numbers (Defence force recruitment on the ropes of 11 May 2009 by Greg Callaghan), it stands to reason that (at the risk of depopulating the forces!) at least some mitigation of a broad range of potentially deviant (if not homicidal) behaviours among defence personnel may be achieved by incorporating more sensitive psychological testing into recruitment procedures in the first instance.

Robert Bales' "murderous rampage" has set back ten years of international diplomacy, soured already poor relations between the US and Afghanistan, and has increased instability in the region - responsibility for which can be placed squarely upon the American military establishment for returning a psychotically traumatised Bales to his fourth tour of duty.

The defence department should start listening before history repeats itself here in Australia.

Thank you, tigerquoll - this is just the tip of the iceberg.

The moa, a 400-pound flightless bird that thrived in New Zealand until about the year 1250, totally disappeared within 60 to 120 years of the first human arrival. Using fire as a weapon and tool, settlers also burned into extinction an entire forest that was to become grassland. The Mayans leveled forests to fuel the hot fires required for transforming limestone into lime. There is evidence of rotting crops, slaves burning down entire forests to make lime dust, young children starving to death, and poor people who have been starved to the point of insanity. In response to all this, the priests are demanding more Human Sacrifices. Burning our forests would be complete lunacy and nothing but destructive. The wholesale burning of forests for "renewable energy" is absurd and misconstrued with ecological "green" terminology. There is no consideration of biodiversity, habitats of native species, species already struggling against logging and human-induced threats. It's an anthropocentric model of human arrogance, with everything is a resource to consume in the endless desire for economic growth. Sacrificing native vegetation for "renewable" energy is the modern misguided equivalent of human sacrifice to the Mayan gods seeking revenge on wayward subservients.

I missed my chance to vote in the Age poll although the vote which should have ended the Grand prix was the Victorian state elections of 27 November 2010.

Victorian Premier Ted Baillieu promised in 2010 to cease the $50 million per year state government subsidy of the Grand Prix as shown in the media release of Greens state MLC Sue Pennecuik, below.

Premier Ted Baillieu has broken that promise.

The Age's poll closed on 19 March (yesterday). The time the poll was closed was not given. It would be helpful if any readers, who were able to vote, could tell us roughly what time they recall voting if they can remember, so that other readers may be more likely to record their vote in time in future polls.

The question put was:

Would you be happy if yesterday's grand prix was the last to be held in Melbourne?

In that poll 40% voted 'yes' and 60% voted 'no'. That appears to be a result in favour of the continuation of the Grand Prix. However, more than likely those in favour of continuing with the Grand Prix would have been better organised than those opposed. If the media reporting of the Grand Prix were more balanced and Melburnians and as other Victorians were better informed, the results would have most likely been strongly against. Certainly it is amongst the residents of the are who have to endure the motor race.

State government still refuses to release documents re cost of 2010 Grand Prix.

Greens Media Release of 9 Feb 2012

Despite its stated commitment to openness and transparency, the state government has again refused to release documents pertaining to the cost to the taxpayer of the 2010 F1 Grand Prix in Albert Park, citing "damage to the state's financial and commercial interests," Greens MLC for the Southern Metropolitan region said today.

"It is difficult to believe this defence and in any case the documents relate to significant expenditure of taxpayers money which should be made public," Ms Pennicuik said. "The 2010 race has been run and the public are entitled to know how much it cost them."

"Minister for Tourism and Major Events, Louise Asher, MP also disclosed that there had been no economic study performed as the basis of the five year contract to 2015," she said.

Ms Pennicuik had successfully moved requests in the Legislative Council for the production of a range of documents including the financial arrangements and contract between the state government and the AGPC regarding the staging of the 2010 event and the fee paid to Parks Victoria for use for Albert Park Reserve - which has never been disclosed. However the government only supplied some documents not including those which would show the cost to the taxpayer.

"The state government is not living up to its pre-election promises to come clean re the Grand Prix," said Ms Pennicuik. "We are heading towards yet another event where taxpayers will again be forced to fork out money to a multi-million dollar corporate monopoly."

"The government should live up to its promise not to continue to prop up this event and get out of the contract," Ms Pennicuik concluded.

For further comment: Sue Pennicuik 0409 055 875

See also: Documents motion: Australian Grand Prix Corporation of 14 Mar 2012

Vote here Votes so far (presumably due to people with vested interest getting this publicity going) are currently greatly in favor of the Grand Prix. If you don't like the Grand Prix, cast your vote against it in this Age poll.

ELEPHANTS are in danger of being hunted to extinction across Africa, with poaching reaching "unprecedented levels" to supply demand from Asia for the animal's ivory tusks, experts have warned. Elephants being hunted to extinction across Africa In just 10 weeks, poaching gangs killed a significant number of savannah elephants in a reserve in northern Cameroon and were close to exterminating those in the country's Bouba N'Djida National Park. According to WWF Vice President Richard Carroll, one of the problems facing conservationists was the sophisticated weaponry used by poachers. 200 elephants in four weeks in an ongoing killing spree in a Cameroonian national park is a heart-wrenching tragedy, and the blood-bath and pain must be condemned world-wide. The ivory tusk trade must be halted, and all trading in body parts of wild animals must cease. The suffering of young orphan elephants, dying without food, nurture or water, is gut-wrenching. Consuming elephant meat is not common in Thailand, but some Asian cultures believe consuming animals' reproductive organs can boost sexual prowess. Thailand's national symbol is the elephant. Elephant meat was ordered by restaurants in Phuket, a popular travel destination in the country's south. Elephants are sensitive and very intelligent animals. They have strong social bonds, and the young have a long period of dependency. The waring ravages cause by human violence and greed appear to be boundless, and without mercy. Such is the power of "filthy lucre" - greed for profits from suffering and slaughter. Bouba Ndjida National Park and others in Africa must be assisted in protecting wildlife from criminals. Human population growth is denying elephants their habitats, and bringing new conflicts for their survival. There are few places on our planet left unscathed by human encroachment, violence and onslaught. Animals such as magnificent elephants, and their body parts, are then viewed as another illegal economic resource. Most of the crucial middle-men roles in Africa are held by Chinese individuals who are part of the burgeoning immigrant communities here in Africa. What's left of reserves and national parks must be preserved for the Earth's precious diversity.

I remember vividly when the Russians launched this little dog into space, never to return. I was in primary school and the name we knew him by was "Little Lemon". We ( all the kids in my class and I) were really upset about it and talked about it a lot. I feel exactly the same to this day as I did then about this act of cruelty. It's the "grown up" version of pulling frogs legs off to see what happens. I hate to think how the poor dog would have suffered and how scared he would have been. What sort of minds could concoct such a cruel act?

I can hear the constant screaming of those pathetic Grand Prix cars. It is not bad enough to want to escape Malvern for the weekend but it must be hell for residents of Albert Park. I went into the city yesterday and it was really loud in the tram going down St. Kilda Rd. It is such an insane form of entertainment.

Sorry, I have removed the AWPC from the Wildlife Rescuers list. But they are incredibly helpful and in touch with many wildlife carers, so deserve all our support. Thanks for the tip on Cambell Newman. It's really a choice between two clowns in Queensland, I'm afraid.

"The more time passes, the more I'm sorry.... We shouldn't have done it.... We did not learn enough from the mission to justify the death of the dog." These are the words of one of the former lead scientists who had worked on the Soviet "animals-in-space" program, about the fate of Laika, a small stray dog who was the first living creature launched into space. Laika was about 3 years old, and left this earth for a fate beyond even the harshest fates reserved for her kind on earth, strapped into a tiny cabin and sent into space alone, trapped in a harness within a sputnik. It is speculated that, instead of dying of starvation, or being poisoned by one of the pellets in her ten-day supply of food and water, she may only have lived for hours. Today I found a website in memorium for her. Laika We humans are like ferocious monsters dressed up in clothes pretending that we are better than the other animals.

Australian Wildlife Protection Council - is NOT a rescue group. Please check to see if BARN is still answering their phone 24 hours. Have been told that they stopped operating after last years floods. Campbell Newman has NO respect for wildlife. He has made a shallow promise to help the Sea Turtles and Dugongs. He has also made a promise to let anyone cruelly MURDER Flying Foxes. No one is making promises to stop the cruel MURDERING of Macropods. He also has NOT made any promises for Qld's koalas. BEWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Loggers get free range of possums' habitats to harvest timber in Victoria's central highlands. Nether the conservationists or VicForests ultimately won - VicForests definition of habitat was not fully upheld and nor was MyEnvironment's. Justice Osborn found in favour of a conservative but improved definition that will halt logging in many areas otherwise destined for chips. The only winner in this case is the Leadbeater’s Possum, but not by enough to ensure its long-term survival. Unfortunately, protecting endangered species in forests is included in the same legislation as for the logging industry. It's a contradiction, but forest destruction has become part of our economy and a source of jobs, and State forests can't be excluded from logging. After a battle in the Supreme Court, Justice Robert Osborn refused to grant permanent orders that would restrain loggers from harvesting timber in three coupes, Gun Barrel, Freddo and South Col, northeast of Toolangi. VicForests "won" the court case against MyEnvironment, with their concerns about destroying the habitat of our last Leadbeaters Possums, those that miraculously survived Black Saturday's inferno. Legislation is flawed as it does not protect "coups" from being logged. While the economic benefits of logging may be clear and quantifiable, what about the costs of extinction? Extinction is forever, and trying to recoup endangered species is costly financially, environmentally and ethically as we lose more of our natural heritage. The little Leadbeaters Possums are Victoria's native species emblem. How do we explain to future generations that they were exterminated because we had to mulch their trees mainly for woodchips for overseas markets? Short term economic benefits rule, and any policies to protect the environment or endangered native species is largely tokenism. Where's the "balance"? Leadbeater's Possums have no economic power, no political voice and are simply trying to eek out an existence against all the forces against them - climate change, human contacts, fires, declining habitats and now they must be exterminated even further by VicForests - for logging profits in a so-called sustainable industry. Legislation such as the Flora and Fauna Guarantee Act actually do nothing and is impotent against VicForests.

Global free trade is a 'no barriers' universal utopianism.

It only benefits multinationals and 3rd World labor countries.

Look at the demise of 1st world manufacturing!
Look at the exponential growth in 3rd world emigration and 1st world immigration!
Look at job creation being steadily outsourced from the 1st World the the 3rd world with commissions earned by KPMG/PWC/Deloittes outsourcing consulting...

KPMG Outsourcing
PWC Outsourcing
Deloittes Outsourcing

Look at the hedonistic profits of multinationals and the pay packets of their chiefs!

It is what the hybrid lefty misnomer party called The Greens include in their policies.
The Greens ought to be renamed to what they stand for the 'Trotsky Humanists Party'.

Brave New World?

Tigerquoll
Suggan Buggan
Snowy River Region
Victoria
Australia

Australia has Direct Democracy every 1460 days (every 4 years). Between that blessed time, it defaults to aVested Interest Democracy, when the vested interests demand their return on election donations. Tigerquoll Suggan Buggan Snowy River Region Victoria Australia

Presuming we have a robust democracy in Australia, if 73% want population stability, and probably more if they understood that most of our growth does not come from asylum seekers, then this should be the case. Something as basic as population size, that impacts negatively on our lifestyles - housing, quality of life, open spaces, costs of living, stretching of limited natural and infrastructure resources, State funding, food security, jobs and tertiary education places - then surely this is what should happen! If farmers overload their paddocks beyond their "carrying capacity" then they run the risks of loss of herd quality, having to artificially feed and water, soil pollution and pasture destruction etc. It's assumed that for humans Nature will simply comply with economic demands and the bounty of Nature is endless. It's the mythical "horn of plenty"- the cornucopia ideal - that Nature's riches are infinite and the planet is never full! Instead, the issue of population growth - and the tens of thousands of people who arrive in Australia each year - is silenced and distorted by the media and by governments. It's treated as something inevitable, as if it was natural and cities just grow! Thanks to the Stable Population Party of Australia - and their refreshing evidence.

Interesting that the so many of the public confuse "immigration" to "asylum seekers". This is exactly as our Government wants us to think. 32% of respondents believed Australia's humanitarian (including refugees) intake to be the biggest contributor to growth. The asylum seekers are being used as a smoke-screen to cloud the issue of immigration. The large bulk of migrants are economic - students staying, family reunion, skilled etc. They therefore support "immigration" for compassionate and social justice reasons. There is never a debate on the real source of our population growth! If over half of our growth is from economic immigration, at least the same proportion (or more) of our "natural growth" is also from economic immigration - their babies that are born here! Sometimes the media will advertise "baby boom" in local hospitals, but it's still deceptive. It's alluding to what's causing our growth, rather than a deliberate policy chosen by our Government in deference to big businesses - in their favour. It's about sacrificing living standards and per capita GDP to aggregate a national GDP - not from production, exports, good economic management, but largely from more consumers - a high population growth.

Melbourne Markets Redevelopment The audit evaluated whether the redevelopment of the Melbourne Wholesale Fruit and Vegetable Market was effectively planned, procured and managed. It examined the initiation, planning and management of the redevelopment, the procurement planning and management, and the project delivery to the end of 2011. The audit found that poor project implementation and stakeholder management has resulted in significant delays, cost overruns, and has damaged the government’s reputation. A number of significant changes made during the project have adversely affected its success and probity matters in relation to the trading floor procurement cast doubt on the fairness of the procurement process. Link to audit summary and full report: http://www.audit.vic.gov.au/reports_and_publications/latest_reports/2011-12/20120314-melbourne-markets.aspxl Well, no-one wanted it, did they? It was undemocratic and now we find out, not to great surprise, that it looks like a dirty deal.

A Productivity Commission survey (PC, 2011a.) of nearly 16,000 people revealed that 64% of the Sydey community would not like an increased population, 9% would like it and 27% did not know or did not care; Performance Benchmarking of Australian Business Regulation:Planning, Zoning and Development Assessments, Productivity Commission Research Report Volume 1, p.28, April 2011; Source. Available from http://www.pc.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/108840/planning-volume1.pdf [accessed 6 March 2012] See SOSNSW blogspot under 12 March 2012 The same piece by Sydney's Save Our Suburbs group also gives the lie to assumptions that high density housing decreases costs or electricity use.

So, predictably, the United States Pentagon wants its poor mass murdering soldier out of vengeful Afghanistan back to the bossom of US soil. What a hollow political piece of Pentagon spin that "he could face death penalty if convicted in the US"...U.S. Pentagon's Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has said. It is a fabricated excuse to get the bastard out of the Afghanistan socio-political heat. The crime took place in Afghanistan and so that is rightly where he deserves to be tried and convicted. If a foreigner did the same in the US does anyone believe the US would let a foreign killer be tried outside the US? Pentagon Big Brother has one law for non-US citizens and another for its own. If it is anyone the US Pentagon doesn't like - they use their tentacles to get anyone in the world back to the US - Julian Assange?, Christopher Tappin?, R. Allen Stanford?... When it comes to US Defence, drones, CIA sinister ops, US military muscle...Obama is a Pentagon patsy. What is the bet Australia's SAS are complicit with US Pentagon dirty work in Zimbabwe, Nigeria and Kenya too - practicising counter-hostage 'covert ops'? Tigerquoll Suggan Buggan Snowy River Region Victoria Australia
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Ric, Thanks for your message. It's been a year since the disaster (as of yesterday) and so nearly a year since that video was made. Things have changed, a little, but have not really gotten any better apart from the fact that we are still here and still alive. Should I be reading something "below" that is a document describing a proposal for action? I am not sure whether I am seeing it or not(!). Personally, any action that does not involve my immediate death would be welcome. Although there is a certain amount of action in Japan, if you've ever seen a mosquito bounce off a B52 bomber in mid-flight you'll know how much of an effect the "action" here is having on the Japanese establishment. The nuclear circus continues to roll on here without a great deal of thought about what the population of the country wants, or even why it is here except to act as a labour force for those who have the power to make use of it. I have suggested that 5 million people armed with agricultural implements (as a kind of symbolism of something) turn up in front of the parliament in Tokyo to see if that might have some kind of effect on the folks within, but so far I'm not getting anywhere with it. (That's not for lack of anger, I can assure you, but more likely from the remaining presence of hope that the pre-2008 (?) society can still be revived. Guess we'll have to wait a while for the hope to dissipate.) Meanwhile, I look forward to knowing more about what you propose. As a final note, I got so pissed off with some people's ideas about how human/social happiness can be achieved that I wrote this thing here: The Realization of Human Happiness which appears to be S-O-O-O far off everyone's mental radar screens that I can't even get half a dozen responses for it. I would appreciate it very much indeed if you could take a look and let me know whether you think I am completely bananas or not. Thank you! Tony

Although Dorothea Mackellar lived into her eighties through which period she could have observed the many moods and phases of Australia's climate, she actually wrote this poem when she was only 19 years old. The poem is amazing for its beauty but even more so for the perception of the character of the Australian continent in all its harshness subtleties. Few people at that age can take all this in but as a friend reminded me this morning- the people at the turn of the last century were much more connected with the land than most of us are today.

Australian floods are not new.
The flood records are there with government, yet governments continue to allow homes to be built on flood prone land.

Australian Government flood risk strategy is two fold:

A. Hope it wont happen again
B. Pay the damage cost afterwards, rather than the preventative cost (e.g. levies) in advance.

The result in a known La Niña cycle is to be expected.
That is what we have now.

My Country

The love of field and coppice,
Of green and shaded lanes.
Of ordered woods and gardens
Is running in your veins,
Strong love of grey-blue distance
Brown streams and soft dim skies
I know but cannot share it,
My love is otherwise.

I love a sunburnt country,
A land of sweeping plains,
Of ragged mountain ranges,
Of droughts and flooding rains.
I love her far horizons,
I love her jewel-sea,
Her beauty and her terror -
The wide brown land for me!

A stark white ring-barked forest
All tragic to the moon,
The sapphire-misted mountains,
The hot gold hush of noon.
Green tangle of the brushes,
Where lithe lianas coil,
And orchids deck the tree-tops
And ferns the warm dark soil.

Core of my heart, my country!
Her pitiless blue sky,
When sick at heart, around us,
We see the cattle die -
But then the grey clouds gather,
And we can bless again
The drumming of an army,
The steady, soaking rain.

Core of my heart, my country!
Land of the Rainbow Gold,
For flood and fire and famine,
She pays us back threefold -
Over the thirsty paddocks,
Watch, after many days,
The filmy veil of greenness
That thickens as we gaze.

An opal-hearted country,
A wilful, lavish land -
All you who have not loved her,
You will not understand -
Though earth holds many splendours,
Wherever I may die,
I know to what brown country
My homing thoughts will fly.

~ Dorothea Mackellar, 1908

Tigerquoll
Suggan Buggan
Snowy River Region
Victoria
Australia

WESTERN AUSTRALIA'S iconic, endangered black cockatoos are being decimated by land clearing, logging and human population growth, according to government figures showing a 35 per cent fall in numbers in just one year. "To lose more than a third of an endangered species in just one year is a devastating result and shows that current conservation measures are failing," Conservation Council of WA spokesman John McCarten says. More than $9.3 million had been spent by the WA Government on protecting and rehabilitating black cockatoo habitats since 2008-09. That included more than $7.7 million from developers to buy and rehabilitate private bushland for environmental offsets linked to project approvals. "Offsets" are not the same as original habitats. WA's uncontrolled over-population will inevitably lead to even more environmental disasters unless it can be turned around. But with a pro-development/pro-destruction Premier who has remained silent about WA’s latest disastrous rate of population increase (which topped the nation) it’s easy for the average punter to remain pessimistic. Only 4222 Carnaby's black cockatoos were sighted across 185 locations from Geraldton to Esperance during the annual count, compared to 6672 sighted a year earlier. BirdLife Australia, which conducts the annual count each April, found a 34 per cent decline in the Perth greater area up to April 2011. dramatic decline of endangered WA cockatoo Australia already has the highest mammal extinction rate in the modern world. Our population growth is not sustainable, and our nation is descending in quality - not only for animals, birds but human quality living. What's made Australia unique, such as our rich wilidfe heritage, is being eliminated by the drive for economic growth and profits, and wrecking Australia. buzzword, an oxymoron.

The interest of Tony Boys in helping the public to self-educate is right up my alley. The proposal for action touched upon below would involve the Governor of California (U.S.A.) -- on his/her own media outlet (unedited) -- repeatedly, vigorously and creatively addressing the issues which are dear to Tony Boys' heart, which are of collective concern worldwide. Unilaterally, the Governor of California COULD -- as Head of the Regents of the University of California system -- terminate ALL NUCLEAR RESEARCH... in a number of different ways... legally and nonviolently. THAT would send out ripples worldwide, and inspire others to do the same, or to join hands in a new kind of solidarity. ON THAT NOTE I ASK ONE AND ALL TO READ WHAT'S BELOW HERE, SOME OF WHICH WILL BE REPETITIOUS, BUT WORTHWHILE, I BELIEVE. Thanks, Ric Below is something I sent to the powers-that-be of this site earlier today. I am looking forward to receiving a response from anyone, however, who is interested in discussing our proposal for action which follows a new paradigm. It is centered in California, but -- clearly -- its implementation/success would stand to send out positive ripples worldwide. In short, since the two mainstream parties are worthless for our collective purposes, and since ALL third parties are permanently marginalized... and since we want to embrace something that is essentially legal and nonviolent... we are turning to the electoral arena in California... to secure significant reins of power which are NOT dependent on career politicians. And so... we want to have 12 unaffiliated, nonpolitician citizens serving as Governor of California in lieu of having another self-serving careerist at the helm in 2014. As per the articles recommended below... a Guv of CA can UNILATERALLY transform life in the state and beyond overnight. Details upon request. Blessings in solidarity, Your Oxman in Clear Lake, California at the moment I appreciate your efforts and accomplishments. As per your Mission Statement... we are aligned sufficiently to move in solidarity together. I have a plan for action which carries the imprimaturs of the late Howard Zinn and many high profile figures worldwide. Please glance at my background at the archived www.oxtogrind.org ("About Us"), and then google "Documenting Ourselves to Death" and/or "Unilaterally, Virtually Overnight, Legally and Nonviolently...." together with www.oxtogrind.org. That should get us started; quick glances at other pieces posted on the site might help too; the 'Arundhati' article? Please confirm receipt of this and, if you will, tell me about yourself and your primary priorities at present IN TERMS OF ACTION. Blessings in solidarity, Your Oxman

Below is something I sent to the powers-that-be of this site earlier today. I am looking forward to receiving a response from anyone, however, who is interested in discussing our proposal for action which follows a new paradigm. It is centered in California, but -- clearly -- its implementation/success would stand to send out positive ripples worldwide. In short, since the two mainstream parties are worthless for our collective purposes, and since ALL third parties are permanently marginalized... and since we want to embrace something that is essentially legal and nonviolent... we are turning to the electoral arena in California... to secure significant reins of power which are NOT dependent on career politicians. And so... we want to have 12 unaffiliated, nonpolitician citizens serving as Governor of California in lieu of having another self-serving careerist at the helm in 2014. As per the articles recommended below... a Guv of CA can UNILATERALLY transform life in the state and beyond overnight. Details upon request. Blessings in solidarity, Your Oxman in Clear Lake, California at the moment. Email me at [email protected], if you will. I appreciate your efforts and accomplishments. As per your Mission Statement... we are aligned sufficiently to move in solidarity together. I have a plan for action which carries the imprimaturs of the late Howard Zinn and many high profile figures worldwide. Please glance at my background at the archived www.oxtogrind.org ("About Us"), and then google "Documenting Ourselves to Death" and/or "Unilaterally, Virtually Overnight, Legally and Nonviolently...." together with www.oxtogrind.org. That should get us started; quick glances at other pieces posted on the site might help too; the 'Arundhati' article? Please confirm receipt of this and, if you will, tell me about yourself and your primary priorities at present IN TERMS OF ACTION. Blessings in solidarity, Your Oxman

New South Wales and Victoria are again experiencing floods. People in country towns are getting around their properties in boats,are being evacuated from their homes, and are up madly sand bagging towns to protect them from inundation. Yesterday I heard a very interesting interview with Professor Brian Finlayson from the Dept. of Resource Management and Geography,University of Melbourne about the the flood situation in Australia. The following is the main thrust of the interview. Every year there is a 1% chance that these very high floods will occur. (hence they are called once in a hundred year floods but they are not confined to once every 100 years - as most people reading this would understand.) Recent flood events are not caused by climate change. CC is not here yet. When it comes it may make things more erratic. The presenter asked if La Nina now occurs more often. Reply- These are very big systems and we have only observed them for such a short time – it not possible to say there is any change in pattern. Presenter asked: What is so different about Australia to cause such floods? Reply: The continent is very flat with very wide flood plains. In Australia the big floods are 6+ times the normal floods. Other countries e.g. in Europe N America- China- they are about 2 x normal floods. We are flying blind dealing with this because we do not have records going far enough back. The proper information for planning new housing subdivisions does not get to the level of local councils and they give permission to build where they should not. Lack of knowledge of floods was shown in the construction of the Hume Weir last century where the spillways proved insufficient even during construction and extra spillways had to be made as they went along. The Victorian Water Minister’s support of a recent suggestion to remove vegetation from rivers to make water run away quicker is not practical. During a flood only about 8% of the water is actually in the river channel and removing vegetation and concreting the river bed may bring this up to 10%-12%. This is not of any use. We cannot engineer our way out of this problem. The presenter then thanked Prof. Finlayson, finishing with the quip that his statements would have him crossed off Infrastructure Australia's (hypothetical) Christmas card list!

Suspend Fraser Island's World Heritage listing until the tourists are completely prohibited. World Heritage Listing was all a cynical tourism rating anyway. Fraser Island needs to become a wildlife sanctuary protected from human exploitation and from baby baiting of dingos. Tigerquoll Suggan Buggan Snowy River Region Victoria 3885 Australia

dingoes have been here thousands of years, not to mention being an important part of our natural ecosystem, white man has only been here a couple of hundred years.. who has more right to be here? anyone with half a brain knows not to leave children unattended where there's wild animals...& yet people have the arrogance to forget we are not apex predators.

Thanks Sheila,

The article is about the bullying Army culture for those interested. It is not intended to attract readers to Julian, so the title is deliberate.
I contacted the legal firm assigned to the current Defence Enquiry investigation but it is convoluted and designed to prosecute individuals, which is not appropriate.
The process won't change the Army culture.

The legal firm is DLA Piper Australia. When one contacts them all one gets is and automated email response...

"You have reached an email address for the Review of Allegations of Sexual and Other Abuse in Defence. This email account is monitored on a regular basis and your email will be read by a member of the Review team.

This is an automated response. You may not receive an individual response to your email.

Counselling is available
If you are distressed and need to speak with someone urgently, please contact the following support lines:

For currently serving ADF members:
The All-hours Support Line (ASL) is a confidential telephone service to assist ADF members and their families with accessing mental health services, such as psychology, medical, social work, and chaplain services.
The ASL number is 1800 628 036.
For Defence public service (APS) employees:
The Employee Assistance Program (EAP) is a confidential and free service. It is provided by professional counsellors who will provide practical assistance to APS employees, and their immediate family members, who may require counselling services.
Appointments can be made via the EAP hotline on 1300 366 789.
For former ADF members and former Defence public service employees and their immediate families:
Special arrangements have been made to extend the EAP service for immediate, initial counselling to former ADF members and former Defence public service employees and their immediate families who raise or have raised allegations affecting them with the external review team and who require counselling assistance. The EAP is a confidential and free service provided by professional counsellors.
This service can be accessed via the EAP hotline on 1800 451 138 and selecting Option 1 - Crisis Intervention.

Delivery of the Report prepared by the Review
The Minister for Defence and Secretary of the Department of Defence received Volume 1 of the Report (covering general findings and recommendations) and the first part of Volume 2 of the Report (covering individual allegations) on 11 October. The final Volume 2 will be provided to the Minister and Secretary in March 2012.

Raising new matters with the Review
The Review cannot take action to investigate, assess or make recommendations to the Minister or Secretary in relation to any new matters. If you wish to raise a new matter, you can do so and we will acknowledge receipt of your matter. However, we will not be able to take any action in respect of your matter unless and until the Minister and Secretary decide we may do so after they have considered our Report.

If you have a new matter to raise, we suggest you consider raising the matter directly with an entity which can take action or help you now. The appropriate entity might be one or more of Defence, the Defence Force Ombudsman, the Inspector General Australian Defence Force, the Department of Veterans' Affairs, the Australian Public Service Commission, Comcare, the police, a counselling service or another entity.

Status of matters already raised with the Review
In Volume 2, we are making an initial assessment of each allegation within scope that has been raised with us, making a recommendation as to whether further action should be taken and advising on the appropriate mechanism for such further action as may be warranted.

We have been dealing with over a thousand separate matters. They all require very careful consideration and it is taking us some time to work through them all.

We are not commenting about the matters that we are reviewing or have reviewed. We are not discussing with individuals whether their matter has been reviewed, nor what recommendation has been or will be made.

It is for the Minister to decide, after he has received the full Report, whether he will release the assessment and recommendation in respect of each matter to the person who raised the matter with the Review. We cannot release that information to you."

...blah blah blah.
So what is the point? The Defence Enquiry like most government enquiries, is a token investigation designed by the Australian Government to sunset clause its accountability.
The most significant revelations will be kept 'Classified' at ASIO headquarters in perpetuity. The true accounts will be kept from the public, so what will change?

Well, hopefully this account may help future soldiers get a better deal.
I take my hat off to anyone prepared to serve their country.

Tigerquoll
Suggan Buggan
Snowy River Region
Victoria 3885
Australia

Reprinted from the ABC news
(words in brackets are mine)

Protected dugongs and sea turtles are being cruelly slaughtered in Queensland's Torres Strait to supply an illegal meat trade, an investigation by ABC's 7.30 has found.

The program has aired confronting footage that shows the brutal methods used to hunt the animals, with turtles being butchered alive and dugongs drowned as they are dragged behind boats.

The investigation throws into sharp relief the conflict between Indigenous Australians and animal rights activists over traditional hunting methods and exposes a black market in animal meat.

Activist Rupert Imhoff spent a fortnight in the Torres Strait, filming the hunting of the turtles and dugongs, both listed as vulnerable to extinction.

He used a secret camera to film scenes of animal cruelty, including the slow death of a sea turtle.

"It didn't actually die until they took off the bottom shell, actually peeled off the shell," he said.

"And then it just let out one last gasp of air and passed away."

Both dugongs and turtles are protected by federal law, but the Native Title Act gives an exemption to traditional owners, who can hunt to satisfy their personal, domestic or non-commercial communal needs.

The traditional hunting methods are seen by animal activists as deeply cruel but Queensland exempts native title hunting from its animal cruelty laws.
(human laws can't over-ride animal rights, or their indigenous rights)
'Too sensitive'
("Too sensitive" is simply political-correctness at the costs of the welfare of sentient animals. It's a cop-out)

Lawyer and advocate Rebecca Smith says conservation groups avoid criticising Indigenous hunting.

"It's just too hard, too prickly, too sensitive," she said.

"It's often deemed people who are opposed to traditional hunting are often called racist, but there is nothing racist about saying this is cruel."

National Indigenous radio broadcaster Seith Fourmile is a passionate advocate of the Indigenous right to hunt. He has nothing to do with the scenes of animal cruelty exposed by 7.30.
(Any "rights" must also be seasoned with responsiblities and consideration for other living creatures)

"We're working with the RSPCA to actually look at that cruelty to animals," he said.

It's just too hard, too prickly, too sensitive ... people who are opposed to traditional hunting are often called racist, but there is nothing racist about saying this is cruel.

(more like reverse racism - these traditional owners have the "right" to atrocities against defenceless and so-callled protected native animals, but they are protected from normal, average Australians?)

Rebecca Smith

"But it has got to be a cooperative approach."

The slaughter in Australia's north goes well beyond the bounds of traditional hunting.
(There are indigenous peoples who are protective of our wildlife and concerned by their slaughter and declining numbers. Indigenous peoples should be the custodians of our environment and wildlife, not their enemies)

Former abattoir worker Colin Riddell has spent years collecting evidence of dugong and turtle killing. His investigations reveal the killing goes much further south in Queensland's coastal waters.

James Epong is a Mandubarra man who lives on his traditional lands an hour south of Cairns.

The Mandubarra have declared a moratorium on the taking of turtle and dugong, but around them an illegal meat trade flourishes.

"Nine times out of 10, the illegal trade is to sell the meat for the benefit, for grog money or drugs," he said.
(There's nothing "traditional" about grog and drugs or the black market)

"One person that we know of in Yarrabah made $80,000 in one year."

Mr Fourmile says there are also non-Indigenous people involved in the illegal trade.

"They are involved with the trading, with selling it, passing it down - some of the turtle meat has gone as far south as Sydney and Melbourne," he said.

In the Torres Strait, Horn Island appears to be a transport hub for the illegal trade. On four separate occasions, 7.30 has confirmed multiple eskies arriving on the afternoon flight from Horn Island to Cairns.
'There's no jobs'

All the Indigenous people interviewed by 7.30 recognised the illegal trade and are committed to ending it.

"There's no jobs on Aboriginal community, let's not lie about it," Mr Fourmile said.
("Green" jobs should be created as park rangers and protectors of native animals and their habitats)

"There's no doubt this is happening. I'm not going to lie about the fact that there is some people out there doing it."

Cape York saltwater people like Frankie Deemal are working to end the esky trade.

There's no jobs on Aboriginal community, let's not lie about it. There's no doubt this is happening. I'm not going to lie about the fact that there is some people out there doing it.
Seith Fourmile

"We don't have no legislative framework in place in which we can police the kind of rogue killing, the kind of outsiders coming into our place," he said.

"We don't have the kind of legislative assistance to do that."

And the Mandubarra people are helping to protect the turtle that has helped sustain them.

"I went out to get one where I normally go and there was just nothing there," said James Epong.

"I came home empty-handed and I thought, 'I can't have this'. I want my kids to experience what I'd experienced. So from that day we just said no more hunting."

For the Mandubarra people, the turtle hunting ended in 1993.

Queensland's Department of Environment and Resource Management was contacted by 7.30.

In a statement, the department said it "takes the claims very seriously and will investigate all reports of illegal hunting and poaching".
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This has been going on for some time. The department's assurances are rather hollow!

My curse on that island nation is working. Immoral cult poaching of whales in Australia's Southern Ocean (on the other side of the world from Japan), fishing Blue Fin Tuna to the brink of extinction, and annual slaughter of dolphins at Taijin - their culture is backward. Tigerquoll Suggan Buggan Snowy River Region Victoria 3885 Australia

Operation Divine Wind is over and the whaling fleet is heading home early with a fraction of their quota! For eight years Sea Shepherd have obstructed the whale killers in the Southern Ocean, and they will continue to obstruct them for another eight years if that is what it takes to end their illegal hunt. Without any government support, Sea Shepherd's ocean warriors say they have found and shut down Japan's key whaling factory ship, Nisshin Maru, deep inside Australian Antarctic waters. As an anti-whaling nation, they should not have been inside Australian territorial waters. The Sea Shepherd crew are under-rated modern-day heroes, undermining years of Australia's inept and wasteful diplomatic pressure on Japan. Whaling is effectively shut down for 2012. It has cost no Australian dollars, except what has been donated by the public. The fact that Japan had a "factory ship" is a contradiction in terms for a fleet that is meant to be using harpoons for bona fide scientific research! They are either the most ineffective and inefficient scientists in the world, or very clever illusionists to be able to continue their thinly disguised commercial whaling right under our very noses - just south of Tasmania.

While tiger quoll and others wish to claim animal rights and various takes on how we should exist--is any-one interested that the wise burghers-had the choice of either accepting the eye-witness report of the West Australian professor and his wife--whom both saw the dingo departing from the Chamberlain tent--or the Northern Territory Government and Legislative authorities--who decided they did not want their new tourism centre and at that time burgeoning new industry--to contain 'wild animals'. For this US backed venture--we incarcerated an innocent person--and then as all fall-guy scenarios go--we rather than the responsible parties--then paid the compensation. These ignorant and totally unfit representatives still maintain their memoirs are worth reading.

Why Geoffrey's direct criticism of my comment was moved by the administrator of this site separate to my comment seems unjust. Readers only see one side of the argument. I am not concerned about the truth in such conflict at this stage. How does anyone know the truth about what is going on in a civil war?

For the benefit of Geoffrey seeking atonement, here is what I wrote (March 5th, 2012 Tigerquoll). I let the readers judge...

..'All suppliers of arms to sides in civil war are criminally complicit, as I said above.."any other countries that have supplied arms to Syria in the recent past are to be ruled similarly" - Russia, China, the US included. "This must go for all sides in the civil war."

I am not concerned about the truth in such conflict at this stage - both sides inevitably lie. How do any of us know what the truth is while the war rages? Propaganda and restricted/selective media taint the stories coming out. So to believe one side or the other is to pre-judge based upon unreliable information.
Subsequent investigation as in Libya will reveal what the truth was, but during a civil war all reported truth must be treated with a grain of salt - unless independently verified by a reliable objective source - is there one in Syria at this stage?

What I am more concerned about now is stopping the slaughter.

For Geoffrey (above comment) to suggest "both China and Russia deserve praise" as arms suppliers is immoral.
What was/is the solution to minimise the slaughter in Libya/Syria?
I am not advocating invasion of any nation. I do not support any war.

As I said, "UN Peace Keeping needs to be War Stopping, else we will see more Rwanda's, Sarajevos, Somalias, Sri Lanka's...
'How' is the problem solving challenge, but Ban Ki-Moon hasn't even got to thinking that way."

Wrestling between respecting national sovereignty and preventing internal civil war slaughter is a challenge not yet worked out by the UN. This is a priority for it.
A first step surely is early recognition of impending civil war and stopping the arms trading.

Geoff and Sheila, I suggest more effort carefully reading would be more constructive than expended in ad hominem criticism of the messenger.'

Tigerquoll
Suggan Buggan
Snowy River Region
Victoria 3885
Australia

Editorial comment: I apologise for any confusion or upset that my actions may have caused authors with regard to my moving parts of this discussion. The above comment, from the third paragraph onwards, had been previously posted in the comments section beneath the article The Chainsaw Report on world illegal logging, Australian forests, plus volunteering in Foreign Aid organisations of 3 March. I judged that a more appropriate place to continue the discussion was here in the comments section beneath the Admin article containing Sheila Newman's excellent comments Syria -70% vote to end one-party state - why aren't we celebrating?. I also hoped that this would draw the attention of more readers to this article and the linked broadcast which reveal facts about that conflict which have been concealed from the public by the mainstream nesmedia (and much of the 'left'/'alternative') newsmedia.

Why Geoffrey Taylor's post having been moved here has been objected to is unclear to me. Tigerquoll's original comment was left where it was posted and was linked to by Geoffrey Taylor's above comment. So any reader should have been able to follow the link back to Tigerquoll's original comment, read it and form his/her own judgement. However, Tigerquoll apparently thought it necessary for the post, that Geoffrey Taylor's above comment was a response to, also be posted here to enable readers to be able to fairly evaluate the different viewpoints, and no-one has stopped stop him.

Should it also be thought necessary to have Geoffrey Taylor's above post also included on the page on which the post it is in response to is posted to, no one will prevent that. However, if this practise were to be adopted more generally, I think candobetter would become more bloated than it need be. Other candobetter readers and contributors are more than welcome to add their own views on how to best facilitate fair discussion on candobetter (as well as on the Syrian conflict under discussion between Geoffrey Taylor and Tigerquoll).- Ed.

The following is in response to a comment All suppliers of arms to sides in civil war are complicit posted elsewhere by Tigerquoll. - Ed

(Tigerquoll has since reflected upon his statement that he is "not concerned about the truth in such a conflict" and has agreed with me that of course we should be concerned about the truth.)

Tigerquoll wrote:

What I am concerned about is stopping the slaughter

So I would expect and hope. So how would you have ended the bloodshed in Libya at the time when the UN Security Council voted to support NATO's "no-fly" zone over Libya on 17 March 2011, as the US military now wants to do over Syria? At that point in time only hundreds of civilians at most had been killed by the Government and none that I know of murdered in cold blood. (Feel most welcome to provide any evidence to the contrary). After the "no-fly" zone was imposed, NATO began bombing Libyan armed forces and civilians in support of the NTC 'rebels'. At least 50,000 Libyans died by the NTC's own estimates in the civil war. Libya's infrastructure was devastated and its oil wealth stolen by foreign corporations. That hardly "stopp[ed] the slaughter", did it? How are similar measures against Syria going to stop the slaughter?

For Geoffrey to suggest "both China and Russia deserve praise" as arms suppliers is immoral.

In fact, I did not praise Russia and China for supplying arms to Syria, but if the Assad Government of Syria had not had weapons to defend itself, it long ago would have suffered the fate of the Libyan Government. Given the wars that the US its allies and proxies have inflicted on the region since 1991, why should countries like Russia or China be condemned for having supplied the Syrian, Iranian and Libyan and other governments with weapons to defend themselves?

What was/is the solution to minimise the slaughter in Libya/Syria?

You should read Sheila's article, above.

The solution is to respect the will of Syrians. 57% of Syria defied the insurgent terrorists' call to boycott the recent constitutional referendum. Of those who voted, an overwhelming 89% voted "Yes" for the reforms that ended the Ba'ath Party's one party rule over Syria. Syrians opposed to Assad should use their vote at the forthcoming elections.

I am not advocating invasion of any nation. I do not support any war. ...

Then you should avoid making statements that essentially mirror the impression that the mainstream (and phony liberal/left) newsmedia is trying to give.

I think you should at least study more carefully the evidence such as is to be found on Global Research, that the Syrian Government, far from being the cause of the violence, is only acting to defend itself and its citizens against an insurrection now supported by foreign military forces on Syrian soil as the recent capture of 13 French Officers in Homs demonstrates.

I am agnostic as to whether a dingo took the baby or not, however i do understand what it is like to keep being brave when confronted by mass media frenzy. I can empathise with Lindy insofar as when i was facing court for the charges against me for 'interfering' with dingoes, i was utterly terrified and could barely walk. but i had to maintain an outward appearance of strength. no one sees how much you cry at night or how it affects you 'forever'. anyway, thanks for a balanced and interesting article. i appreciate the fact that you have included all the submissions we made.

Sign the petition! The Great Barrier Reef doesn't just matter to mining companies, governments or tourism agencies. It's a place that matters to us all, and the UNESCO World Heritage Committee is charged with its protection. Sign the petition to stand up to the mining industry and protect the area from development. SIGN HERE Add your name to the petition to UNESCO and Federal Environment Minister Tony Burke to: Immediately halt all dredging and industrial development in the Great Barrier Reef World Heritage Area and surrounds, and not to approve any major coastal developments until the strategic assessment has been completed. THE Great Barrier Reef faces a "death by a thousand cuts" from increased shipping and port development, a World Heritage delegation has been told, yet the threats will continue to be multiplied. The World Heritage delegation visit is in response to concerns about the projected growth of coal and gas exports through the reef yet at the same time, if all proposed developments proceed, coal exports along the Queensland coast are estimated to increase from 156 million tonnes last year to a whopping one billion tonnes a year from 2020! The area will be facing increased port traffic, and disturbances, along with toxic pollution from agriculture, overfishing, population growth and tourism. Even small changes in temperature can have a devastating effect on the natural environment. Sea temperature rises of just 1 or 2 degrees centigrade can cause coral bleaching and death on a worldwide scale. The crown-of-thorns starfish is the biggest threat to the Reef because they eat their size in coral cover every day, and some weigh as much as 80kg. Their outbreaks are caused by human impacts on the ecosystems. Outbreaks of crown-of-thorns starfish (Acanthaster planci) have been a major issue on the Great Barrier Reef and other Indo-Pacific reefs for nearly 40 years. The Crowns of thorns only has two predators, The giant Triton snail and the Large Wrasse. It also mainly eats one thing which is coral although species of it may vary. The crown of thorns starfish was introduced from East Asia. They come to Australia stuck to the bottom of boats, in cyclones and any other form of transport they can find. Coral reefs are being degraded by an accumulation of stresses arising from human activities. In simple terms, stresses can be grouped by the actions of people extracting material from, and placing materials upon, coral reefs. Over-fishing, pollution and coastal development top the list of chronic stressors. Coal is one of Australia's top export earners, and the Great Barrier Reef sits off the coast of the eastern state of Queensland, the country's largest coal-producer. "The creation of mega mines in central Queensland, the accompanying export infrastructure and increases in shipping traffic, as well as the burning of the coal they produce, place an incredible burden on Australia's Great Barrier Reef," the environmental group Greenpeace said in a report. The Reef supports a $6 billion tourism industry which employs 67,000 people and should be conserved as a unique and valuable natural asset rather than be eroded by "developments" that will turn the area into a shipping lane.

This brings to mind a marvelous quote from American activist and author Derrick Jensen in "Endgame: The problem with Civilization" (2006) “Surely by now there can be few here who still believe the purpose of government is to protect us from the destructive activities of corporations. At last most of us must understand that the opposite is true: that the primary purpose of government is to protect those who run the economy from the outrage of injured citizens.”

All suppliers of arms to sides in civil war are criminally complicit, as I said above.."any other countries that have supplied arms to Syria in the recent past are to be ruled similarly" - Russia, China, the US included. "This must go for all sides in the civil war."

I am not concerned about the truth in such conflict at this stage - both sides inevitably lie. How do any of us know what the truth is while the war rages? Propaganda and restricted/selective media taint the stories coming out. So to believe one side or the other is to pre-judge based upon unreliable information.
Subsequent investigation as in Libya will reveal what the truth was, but during a civil war all reported truth must be treated with a grain of salt - unless independently verified by a reliable objective source - is there one in Syria at this stage?

What I am more concerned about now is stopping the slaughter.

For Geoffrey (above comment) to suggest "both China and Russia deserve praise" as arms suppliers is immoral.
What was/is the solution to minimise the slaughter in Libya/Syria?
I am not advocating invasion of any nation. I do not support any war.

As I said, "UN Peace Keeping needs to be War Stopping, else we will see more Rwanda's, Sarajevos, Somalias, Sri Lanka's...
'How' is the problem solving challenge, but Ban Ki-Moon hasn't even got to thinking that way."

Wrestling between respecting national sovereignty and preventing internal civil war slaughter is a challenge not yet worked out by the UN. This is a priority for it.
A first step surely is early recognition of impending civil war and stopping the arms trading.

Geoff and Sheila, I suggest more effort carefully reading would be more constructive than expended in ad hominem criticism of the messenger.

Tigerquoll
Suggan Buggan
Snowy River Region
Victoria 3885
Australia

Geoffrey Taylor's most recent response to Tigerquoll has been moved to the comments section below Sheila Newman's excellent article of 1 March, Syria -70% vote to end one-party state - why aren't we celebrating?. - Ed

Whilst it would be a mistake to look at China through rose-tinted glasses, both China and Russia deserve praise and not condemnation for having recently prevented yet another blood-drenched invasion by the US and its allies with the use of their veto on the UN Security Council. Had they done so last year the invasion of Libya could have also been stopped.

The above comment by Tigerquoll inadvertently repeats the lies in the mass media, that are intended to justify plans by the US and European and Middle Eastern allies to launch yet another destructive and bloody war.

Have you learnt nothing from history, Tigerquoll?

In 1990 Iraq was set up by the US amabassador to Iraq April Glaspie after neighbouring Kuwait began slant-drilling for oil under the border. After the invasion by Iraq, the US public relations firm Hill and Knowlton cooked up the incubator babies lie (2 min, 46 sec) to turn world public opinion against Iraq. The US then launched the invasion, supported by Australia. Iraq's infrastructure was devastated. Over ensuing years, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children died as a result of sanctions.

The pretexts used to justify the subsequent war against Iraq in 2003 was no less a fabrication, nor were the lies used to justify the invasion of Libya last year.

A similar pack of bare-faced lies were used only last year to justify the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

Before you make further contributions in regard to Syria, Tigerquoll, could I suggest you read Sheila Newman's article of 1 March and look at the 5 minute YouTube Broadcast to which it is linked?

For more in-depth news about, Syria, Iran, Libya, etc, visit globalresearch.ca, particularly, the story SYRIA: Arab League Head of Mission Refutes Western Media Propaganda of 28 Dec 2011.

China's supply of arms to Syria makes it an accessory to mass murder in Syria, so should automatically exclude China from having any veto power at the UN on resolutions on Syria. Any other countries that have supplied arms to Syria in the recent past are to be ruled similarly. This must go for all sides in the civil war. UN Peace Keeping needs to be War Stopping, else we will see more Rwanda's, Sarajevos, Somalias, Sri Lanka's... 'How' is the problem solving challenge, but Ban Ki-Moon hasn't even got to thinking that way. Token talk is complicity. The other matters are less relevant. Tigerquoll Suggan Buggan Snowy River Region Victoria 3885 Australia

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