The following article is my response to Russian propaganda is everywhere (30/4/22) by Robert Cherminko, a copy of which is included below as an Appendix. Update, 3 May 2022: The code for the two Twitter posts, embedded in this article, has been fixed - James.
Robert Chernenko wrote:
… you faithfully and uncritically … publish obviously false narratives, for instance the false claim that the US was silly enough to have bioweapon labs in (corrupt and unstable) Ukraine, a country always at risk of Russian invasion.
Here is US Undersecretary of State Victoria Nuland, out of her own mouth, before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on 9 March 2022, confirming that such claims are, at least, in part true:
Ukraine has "biological research facilities," says Undersecretary of State Victoria Nuland, when asked by Sen Rubio if Ukraine has biological or chemical weapons, and says she's worried Russia may get them. But she says she's 100% sure if there's a biological attack, it's Russia. pic.twitter.com/uo3dHDMfAS
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) March 8, 2022
Senator Mark Rubio: Does Ukraine have Chemical or Biological weapons?
Victoria Nuland: Ukraine has biological research facilities which, in fact, we are now quite concerned Russian troops - Russian forces - may be seeking to gain control of, so we are working with the Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research materials falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach.
A somewhat longer (1:11 minutes) version can be found on YouTube.
As Glenn Greenwald responded:
Rubio undoubtedly expected a flat denial by Nuland, thus providing further "proof” that such speculation is dastardly Fake News emanating from the Kremlin, the CCP and QAnon. Instead, Nuland did something completely uncharacteristic for her, for neocons, and for senior U.S. foreign policy officials: for some reason, she told a version of the truth. Her answer visibly stunned Rubio, who — as soon as he realized the damage she was doing to the U.S. messaging campaign by telling the truth — interrupted her and demanded that she instead affirm that if a biological attack were to occur, everyone should be “100% sure” that it was Russia who did it. Grateful for the life raft, Nuland told Rubio he was right.
But Rubio's clean-up act came too late. When asked whether Ukraine possesses “chemical or biological weapons,” Nuland did not deny this: at all. She instead — with palpable pen-twirling discomfort and in halting speech, a glaring contrast to her normally cocky style of speaking in obfuscatory State Department officialese — acknowledged: “uh, Ukraine has, uh, biological research facilities.” Any hope to depict such "facilities” as benign or banal was immediately destroyed by the warning she quickly added: “we are now in fact quite concerned that Russian troops, Russian forces, may be seeking to, uh, gain control of [those labs], so we are working with the Ukrainiahhhns [sic] on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach” — [interruption by Sen. Rubio]:
Nuland's bizarre admission that “Ukraine has biological research facilities” that are dangerous enough to warrant concern that they could fall into Russian hands ironically constituted more decisive evidence of the existence of such programs in Ukraine than what was offered in 2002 and 2003 to corroborate U.S. allegations about Saddam's chemical and biological programs in Iraq.
So, Robert Chernenko, do you think that US Undersecretary of State Victoria Nuland is also "faithfully and uncritically recit[ing] Kremlin propaganda" "that the US was silly enough to have bioweapon labs in (corrupt and unstable) Ukraine"?
Other more detailed and substantiated descriptions of the US-operated bio-weapons programs in Ukraine and Georgia can be found in Dilyana Gaytandzhieva's blog (dilyana.bg). Stories include Pentagon contractors worked in Ukrainian biolabs under $80 million program (16/3/22), Documents expose US biological experiments on allied soldiers in Ukraine and Georgia (24/1/22), Potential pandemic bird flu modified to be more dangerous in new risky NIH research (24/1/22), Measles virus from Afghanistan blamed for deadly outbreak in Ukraine (1/5/18), 51 children hospitalized after mass poisoning in school in Ukraine (10/5/18).
Dilyana Gaytandzhieva is a young female Bulgarian reporter who has worked in many countries, including a number of war zones. Here is Dilyana, 4 years ago, attempting to question the Assistant Secretary of the US Department of 'Health' about the US bio-weapons program:
How a journalist gets expelled from the #EuropeanParliament when asking the Assistant Secretary at the US Department of Health questions about the Pentagon bio laboratories around #Russia, #China and #Iran. pic.twitter.com/RB7cRZGDlG
— Dilyana Gaytandzhieva (@dgaytandzhieva) March 8, 2018
Robert Chernenko (not verified)
Sun, 2022-05-01 10:37
Ukraine does not host US Bioweapon labs
A response to this post can be found below - Ed, 4/5/22.
Dear James Sinnamon, did you closely read what Victoria Nuland said in the Glenn Greenwald text you quote? Contra your bizarre headline Nuland doesn't say there is an "illegal US bio-weapons program" in Ukraine. Biolabs are everywhere. Australia has thousands of them. I've worked in crop research biolabs. Obviously many biolabs work on animal, plant and human pathogens that have security protocols that could be disrupted by war, as well as proprietary information. It is clear the Russians don't place a high value on safety. The Russians didn't bother with safety issues when they occupied the damaged Chernobyl plant and subjected the Ukrainian workers and their own soldiers to health risks. Radiation sickness is now a problem for their soldiers. See for instance wwwDOTtheguardianDOTcom/us-news/2022/apr/01/first-thing-russians-flee-chernobyl-with-radiation-sickness-says-ukraine
What I find far more convincing is the dozens of fact checks by groups like NPR that clearly refute and give background on the Russian claim of US bioweapon labs in Ukraine: wwwDOTtheguardianDOTcom/us-news/2022/apr/01/first-thing-russians-flee-chernobyl-with-radiation-sickness-says-ukraine
I have absolutely no interest in rebutting what the Bulgarian "journalist" Dilyana Gaytandzhieva, who pushes anti-Western pro-Kremlin lies has to say in a blog. Why would anyone? As Brandolinis Law notes, "the amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude larger than to produce it."
I note, however, that Gaytandzhieva has been called out by moderate centre left sources like the "The Guardian" for pushing Kremlin narratives.
By the way, do you tweet as @malthusista? Did you seriously write "The last national leader that the US had who measured up to Vladimir Putin's stature was JFK". ??! Vladimir Putin is a violent murderous war-mongering criminal who has nipped Russia's budding democracy in the bud, waged war against his neighbours and killed, poisoned, murdered and chased out of Russia nearly all independent voices, including the press. What is wrong with you? Why does this blog lionise far-right dictators like Putin and fascist politicians like Marine Le Pen?
Mon, 2022-05-02 04:17
Is your grasp of science sufficient?
Robert Chernenko wrote:
In order to show to me that Dilyana Gaytandzhieva is not as authoritative as I believe her to be then, surely you only need find one specific claim somewhere in one of her articles and produce evidence that refutes that claim. How would require, on your part, more than a small fraction of the effort Dilyana put into writing any one of her articles, let alone an "order of magnitude" more? The fact that you have not shows me that either your grasp of science is insufficient to understand her articles or that you have not been able to find in her articles even one claim that you are able to debunk.
Regarding Vladimir Putin, presumably you preferred Russia the way it was, when it was ruled by Boris Yeltsin. I will deal with your smearing of Vladimir Putin some other time.
On JFK, I am curious to whether or not you believe that Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK with his 'magic bullet' on 22 November 1963.
Tue, 2022-05-03 11:31
Could you effectively refute Russia's UN bio-weapons claims?
On 6 April 2022, as published in Illegal US bio-weapons programs in Ukraine, Georgia and elsewhere - evidence given at UN Security Council (2/5/22),Russia presented, to the United Nations Security Council, what they considered to be evidence that the US had been operating biological warfare laboratories in both Ukraine and Georgia. At that session Dilyana Gaytandzhieva also made a presentation in support of those allegations.
All present were free to make their own contributions to the debate. A number spoke in support of Russia's allegations, whilst others supported Russia's call for an independent investigation of those allegations.
Only delegates from Ireland, Norway and Albania, allies of the United States attempted to rebut those allegations.'
Perhaps you could tell us, Robert, whether you think those speakers succeeded in in refuting Russia's allegations or. if not, how you might have been more effective?
For their part, neither the US nor the UK attended that session. Do you think they missed an opportunity to further refute the claims made against them or do you think they were afraid to confront their accusers?
Wed, 2022-05-04 00:43
IAEA report refutes smear that Russians disregarded safety
Subject was: Response to Robert Chernenko on Ukraine nuclear etc - Ed
Robert Chernenko wrote above recently
He ignored the fact that the United States has for decades refused any independent investigation of the biolabs it funds, which makes them illegal. He shows no curiosity or alarm at the detailed and documented reports of bio-weapon designs and projects in Ukraine and many other countries, nor, for example, their funding in Ukraine by the United States President's son, Hunter Biden - which we have noted here: https://www.candobetter.net/admin/blog/6335/illegal-us-bio-weapons-programs-ukraine-georgia-and-elsewhere-evidence-given-un. See also https://www.candobetter.net/taxonomy/term/6017.
So, without dealing with the alarming context of these biolabs, he changes tactic and says that Russia does not place a high value on safety, then quotes an article in The Guardian, dated 1 May 2022. That paper simply reported what it had heard from the Ukrainians, without balancing it with the Russian response.
However, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) report, dated 24 February – 28 April 2022, says that, "On 4 March, Ukraine informed the IAEA that Russian forces had taken control of the Zaporizhzhya NPP site. Ukraine reported that the facility’s training centre — located a few hundred metres from the reactor units — had been hit by a projectile and a localized fire had broken out that was later extinguished." (Source: IAEA Summary Report by the Director General 24 February – 28 April 2022.) What the report avoids saying is that the Russians reported that Ukrainian soldiers had caused the fire. There is also an allusion to a laboratory having been trashed, but another report by the Russians shows that no vital equipment was damaged and it looked as if the sabotage had been mainly cosmetic, in order to try to implicate the Russians. That report has to stand until the west finds evidence to the contrary.
A later version of the Guardian article (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/01/russians-fled-chernobyl-with-radiation-sickness-says-ukraine-as-iaea-investigates) of the same date, was balanced with some comments from the IAEA Director General Grossi. In the IAEA report on the matter, it says that the IAEA was unable to confirm reports of high radiation doses to Russian soldiers.
Robert's above statement and conclusions are contradicted by the IAEA report:
"Radiation monitoring: Radiation monitoring data from the Chornobyl site, regularly provided through the online radiation monitoring system, have not been received through the International Radiation Monitoring Information System (IRMIS) since 24 February. However, the SNRIU has reported some radiation measurements from the Chornobyl site. Some of these measurements from the Chornobyl Exclusion Zone indicated an increase in the gamma dose rates that was attributed to the displacement of soil due to heavy machinery movements in the area. Based on these data, the IAEA assessed radiation levels as low and within the operational range measured in the exclusion zone since it was established, and therefore considered that they posed no hazard to the public. In the absence of relevant data or observations, the IAEA has not been able to confirm reports of Russian forces receiving high doses of radiation while being in the Chornobyl Exclusion Zone. "
The Director General of the IAEA has taken an apparently very pro-Ukrainian approach, and has even been seen shaking hands with the Ukraine President Zelensky. Whilst he implies that Ukrainians did all the work, nevertheless, his reports admit that the Russians withdrew and left management of the plants to their Ukrainian teams, having restored power to Ukraine, leaving no pressing nuclear problems or safety issues.
Unfortunately Robert has given the Guardian story about 'radiation sickness' again, instead of the reference he wanted to give. However we cannot take what the US National Public Radio (NPR) says for gospel, just because it is the NPR, or because it may quote some 'authorative' figure. One has to carefully examine the statements, the evidence, the logic, and whether the opinion of the other side has been sought and reported. From what I have seen, the NPR is in war-mode like the rest of the US press and reports all Russian perspectives as if they were laughable, and attacks anyone prominent who doesn't. This is not serious journalism.
Robert should look at what Dilyana Gaytandzhieva actually writes and says before he cancels her, instead of just doubting her on the say-so of western propaganda. The fact that there are professional character assassination pieces all over the web about Dilyana Gaytandzhieva means one should look very carefully at what she is saying, because the purpose of those attacks is to make you look away from what she is saying. She is being seriously attacked because she has seriously documented US provision of arms to terrorists in Syria, for instance. This is not news to anyone who has talked with Syrians in Syria and, if people look at our site, they will see that we have been covering Syria for some time, and with local reporting as well. Anyone who exposes US war-crimes gets that kind of treatment if they are at all successful. Look at what the United States and the UK are doing to Julian Assange. That should be enough to make anyone severely doubt the honour of your government and of the western press.
Yes, I can relate to that here.
So, if the Guardian says it, you automatically believe it?
The west says that Putin has poisoned the Skripals, brought down MH17, poisoned Navalny, censored the news, waged war against his neighbours, etc etc. Somehow the western press and the leaders whose opinions it reports all know immediately what poisons were used, who administered them, who shot planes down, almost before these things happen. They never allow Russia to participate in their investigations, and they use these confected incidents as fodder for continuous anti-Russia propaganda. Much of the time, they imply that Russia is actually the same as the [defunct] USSR. And when Robert talks about Russia invading its neighbours, I suspect he also thinks that.
The west uses and abuses international sport and international commemorations of WW2 to drum this propaganda in. It is so ridiculous, anyone awake has to be suspicious.
And what is the motive of US-NATO in this propaganda? It is so they can say, to anyone who criticises the west's own serial invasions and continuous warmongering, that this is all Russian 'disinformation'. They imprisoned Julian Assange for telling the truth. Yet Australians are supposed to believe that Russia just invaded Ukraine for no reason at all. And to put up with blanket censorship to back the lies up.
Even the Pope questions the narrative:
"Pope Francis has said that NATO’s eastward expansion may have provoked Russian President Vladimir Putin into launching an attack against Ukraine. In an interview published on Tuesday by Italian daily Corriere Della Sera, the pontiff speculated that “the barking of NATO at Russia’s door” could have driven Putin into launching the military campaign on February 24. “I can’t say if it was provoked, but perhaps, yes,” he said. (Original Italian:
"La preoccupazione di papa Francesco è che Putin, per il momento, non si fermerà. Tenta anche di ragionare sulle radici di questo comportamento, sulle motivazioni che lo spingono a una guerra così brutale. Forse «l’abbaiare della Nato alla porta della Russia» ha indotto il capo del Cremlino a reagire male e a scatenare il conflitto. «Un’ira che non so dire se sia stata provocata — si interroga —, ma facilitata forse sì». "(Source: Intervista a Papa Francesco: «Putin non si ferma, voglio incontrarlo a Mosca. Ora non vado a Kiev», Corriere del sera, 3 March 2022, https://www.corriere.it/cronache/22_maggio_03/intervista-papa-francesco-putin-694c35f0-ca57-11ec-829f-386f144a5eff.shtml)
Whilst Russia may have committed crimes, I cannot take those reported by our press seriously, because they make so little sense. The crimes of the west, however, have been very carefully investigated by people who have had to flee for their lives or have faced prison - Daniel Ellsberg, Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning, and many others - see for instance https://www.employmentlawgroup.com/timeline-us-whistleblowing/ I did not wake up one day and decide I wanted to embrace Russia, or Syria, but I did come to realise, decades ago, that most of what I read in the paper/saw on TV and heard from politicians was seriously limited and distorted, and reflected very little of what people actually thought or cared about. I read more than one language and look at various media outlets from all over the world - something that is actually possible these days with the internet, but which US-NATO and allied governments have been trying to prevent.
Robert Chernenko (not verified)
Tue, 2022-05-03 14:00
Russia repeatedly denied its intention to invade Ukraine
The title of this comment has been changed from "Why is James So Gullible?". Robert, should you wish to continue making comments here on candobetter.net, I advise you to desist from making ad homonym attacks. I particularly object to ad homonym attacks that can be viewed on our front page, as will occur when the title includes an ad homonym attack. - Ed.
Dear James, I have no interest in doing a "desktop investigation" from the comfort of my computer room on war propaganda produced by Russia. Obviously, any such investigation would be unsatisfactory and inconclusive. I take this item of war propaganda as seriously as I took Russian claims that they weren't about to invade Ukraine, which I presume you gullibly swallowed until the invasion actually transpired. I also don't trust claims made by Ukraine without independent verification from qualified and reliable experts because subterfuge is part of the art of war.
Apart from pushing Russian propaganda and vilifying Ukraine and its people, I see that you are a compulsive liar. To give just one example, you headline this thread with the claim "Victoria Nuland has confirmed that there is an Illegal US bio-weapons program in Ukraine" then quote a rant by Glenn Greenwald that embeds words spoken by Victoria Nuland that sustain the claim. I can only assume you didn't think I'd read it or watch the entire footage of Nuland's response to Rubio for context.
Mon, 2022-05-09 14:13
Ukraine, as well as Russia, is the victim of US aggression
You surely have more than two neurons connected together under your skull? So how is it that you cannot work out from, that exchange with Senator Mark Rubio, which is embedded in the article above, that Victoria Nuland clearly admitted that there were US-operated biological warfare laboratories in Ukraine, even if she did not explicitly say so? If those 'biological research facilities' were not biological warfare laboratories, then what did she have to fear from them falling into Russian hands? There is abundant other confirmation of this on the internet including in articles by Bulgarian journalist Dilyana Gaytandzhieva.
As shown in “One less traitor”: Zelensky oversees campaign of assassination, kidnapping and torture of political opposition (17/4/22) by Max Blumenthal and Esha Krishnaswamy, Zilensky's death squads and the Ukrainian SBU security services have gone after both Russian speaking nationals and ethnic Ukrainians who have advocated peace with ethnic Russians.
The sooner the Zilensky regime is thrown into the dustbin of history, the better for all of humanity, not least of all, Ukrainians.